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Maybe you want to recapture the pure joy of sailing in a simpler but stylish boat that doesn’t require much effort or crew to get you out on the water…

Maybe you no longer need the amenities or complications of a larger boat just to enjoy an afternoon out on the water with a few friends…

Maybe a pretty and fast boat will just be more fun to own!

The Catalina 275 Sport is the 5 Series’ newest design from Catalina. It reflects what many sailors have told us – they no longer need that big boat, but don’t want to give up racing or day sailing. They are spending fewer nights aboard, but still want the ability to overnight, even if it’s an occasional trip with kids or grandkids.

The 275 Sport was designed to meet these desires and exceed expectations. We started with a modern, long waterline, and kept the beam modest to allow trailering.

The handsome hull is coupled with a powerful rig with large main and selftacking jib, which makes the 275 not only fast, but also super-easy to sail.

The cockpit is what the 275 is all about. The helmsman will become reacquainted with the simple pleasure of steering a well-balanced responsive boat with a tiller from the comfortable, ergonomically designed outboard coamings.

Accommodations below are adequate for weekending or just getting out of the weather, and an enclosed head is always appreciated, even on day sails.

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GENERAL DIMENSIONS

Length Overall: 27′ 6″

Length of Hull: 27′ 6″

Length at Waterline: 26’ 3″

Beam: 8′ 5″

Distance from Waterline to Masthead: 40′ 2″

Draft: 5′ 0″

Ballast: 1,875lbs

Designed Weight: 5,000 lbs

Displacement / Length: 123

Sail Area / Displacement: 21

Ballast Ratio: 37.5%

RIG MEASUREMENTS (STD)

Total with 100% Foretriangle: 331ft 2

total with Standard Jib and Roached Mainsail: 387 ft 2

Primary Harken #20, Self Tailing

Battery Qty – 1 Group 27 150 Amp-Hrs

Solar Panel: GSP12 12 Watt

TANKS & CAPACITIES

Water: Potable 13 gal

Sanitary Holding Tank: 12 gal

Fuel: 19 gal

All specifications are approximate and subject to change without notice.

Actual equipment also subject to change without notice.

STANDARD EQUIPMENT

Construction.

• Hull of Hand-laid Fiberglass with Hull Liner bonded to the Hull
• One Piece Fiberglass Deck with Molded-In Non-Skid Surfaces and Fiberglass Deck Liner
• Lead Fin Keel with Stainless Steel Bolts
• Waterline Stripe
• Stainless Steel Rub Strake
• Five Year Gel Coat Blister Protection * ( 2 )
• Five Year Hull Structure Warranty * ( 3 )

SPARS & RIGGING

• Full Batten Square Tip Mainsail with Reef Points, Low Friction Roller Cars
• Loose Footed Mainsail
• Self Tacking Jib with UV Protection, White
• Complete Standing and Running Rigging
• Internal Low-Stretch Halyards
• PVC Wiring Conduit with VHF Coax in Mast
• Anodized Mast and Boom
• Internal Outhaul Control located in Boom

SAIL HANDLING & EQUIPMENT

• ( 2 ) Cabin Top – Winches, Port & Starboard
• Ball Bearing Mainsheet System with 3:1 Gross Purchase, 6:1 Fine Purchase
• ( 4 ) Sheet Stoppers
• Halyards Led Aft to Cockpit
• Single Line Mainsail Reefing System Led to the Cockpit
• Rigid Adjustable Boom Vang with 4:1 System
• Mainsheet Traveler located in Cockpit, 4:1 System
• Vectran Line Main Halyard
• Ball Bearing Headsail Furling Gear
• Retractable Bow Sprit and Deck Hardware
• 24:1 Back Stay Adjuster w/Mainsail Flicker at Masthead

DECK HARDWARE

• Comfortable Cockpit with Contoured Coamings
• ( 2 ) Cockpit Seat Lockers
• Storage Locker
• Two Mooring Cleats, Fore and Aft
• Molded in Anchor Locker with Rode Securing Point
• Stainless Steel Bow Pulpit
• Stainless Steel Stern Ladder
• Manual Bilge Pump with Thru Deck Handle
• Self Bailing Cockpit
• Storage Pockets for Halyards Lines in Cockpit
• Walk-through Transom
• Carbon Fiber Tiller with Hiking Stick
• Low Friction Rudder Bearings
• Lifelines: Stern Looks and Stern Gates with Pelican Hooks
• Cunningham Adjuster for Mainsail
• Jib Track and Cars Mounted on Cabin Top
• Private Enclosed Head
• Solid Maple Interior Trim
• Storage Lockers under Berths
• Maple Main Cabin Table with Pedestal
• LED Lighting
• Filler Cushion to Convert Salon to Large Berth
• Teak and Holly Textured High Pressure Laminate Sole
• Opening Forward Hatch with Light Diffusing Lens and Screen
• Mid-Deck Deadlight with light Diffusing Lens
• ( 4 ) Removable Zippered Gear Bags
• Sunbrella Cushion and Berth Covers with Contrasting Piping
• 12V Plug in Galley for Mobile Phone
• Storage Cabinet in Galley with Cutlery Drawer
• Polished Stainless Sink with Overboard Drain
• Removable Cooler in Drawer with Ball Bearing Guides
• Fresh Water Pump
• Self Contained Water System

ENCLOSED HEAD

• Opening Port with Screen
• Sink and Vanity with Fresh Water Pump and thru Hull Drain including Seacock
• Hooks and Hanging Area
• Marine Head with Holding Tank including Deck Pump Out Plate
• Wet Locker for Hanging Cloths
• Electronic Central Panel with Large Tachometer
• Remote Fuel Filter and Water Separator
• Cooling Water Seawater Filter
• Remote Coolant Reservoir
• Aqualift Muffler System
• Stainless Steel Single Lever Engine Control

ELECTRICAL SYSTEM

• 12 Volt Electrical System with Panel
• Battery, 12 Volt
• Steaming Light on Mast
• 12 Volt LED Lighting
• Anchor Light on Masthead
• Navigation Lights to International Rules

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Catalina 275 Sport

Catalina 275 Sport is a 27 ′ 5 ″ / 8.4 m monohull sailboat designed by Gerry Douglas and built by Catalina Yachts starting in 2013.

Rig and Sails

Auxilary power, accomodations, calculations.

The theoretical maximum speed that a displacement hull can move efficiently through the water is determined by it's waterline length and displacement. It may be unable to reach this speed if the boat is underpowered or heavily loaded, though it may exceed this speed given enough power. Read more.

Classic hull speed formula:

Hull Speed = 1.34 x √LWL

Max Speed/Length ratio = 8.26 ÷ Displacement/Length ratio .311 Hull Speed = Max Speed/Length ratio x √LWL

Sail Area / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the power of the sails relative to the weight of the boat. The higher the number, the higher the performance, but the harder the boat will be to handle. This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more.

SA/D = SA ÷ (D ÷ 64) 2/3

• SA : Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay).
• D : Displacement in pounds.

Ballast / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the stability of a boat's hull that suggests how well a monohull will stand up to its sails. The ballast displacement ratio indicates how much of the weight of a boat is placed for maximum stability against capsizing and is an indicator of stiffness and resistance to capsize.

Ballast / Displacement * 100

Displacement / Length Ratio

A measure of the weight of the boat relative to it's length at the waterline. The higher a boat’s D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more.

D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds.
• LWL: Waterline length in feet

Comfort Ratio

This ratio assess how quickly and abruptly a boat’s hull reacts to waves in a significant seaway, these being the elements of a boat’s motion most likely to cause seasickness. Read more.

Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam 1.33 )

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds
• LOA: Length overall in feet
• Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet

Capsize Screening Formula

This formula attempts to indicate whether a given boat might be too wide and light to readily right itself after being overturned in extreme conditions. Read more.

CSV = Beam ÷ ³√(D / 64)

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Catalina 275 Sport

As we motored the new Catalina 275 out of Annapolis and into the Chesapeake Bay on a cloudy almost windless afternoon that was threatening showers, I felt the liveliness of the tiller and rudder in my hand as the prop wash from the sail drive unit flowed by it and knew that we were on a new, very different Catalina. Clear of the channel, we hoisted the full battened mainsail and rolled out the self-tacking jib. With the engine shut down, we close reached across the mouth of the Severn River and then hardened up to sail close to the wind. The 275 handled easily and once we had her on the wind found that she was very close winded and showed a real ability to sail fast.

The idea that designer Gerry Douglas was working with for the 275 was to make it simple to sail but endowed with a good turn of speed. The 275 is definitely a dual purpose boat that will be great weekending but also a lot of fun to race one design or in mixed PHRF fleets.

To gain the performance off the wind, where the self tacking jib is not as effective, you need to be able to fly a reacher or cruising chute easily. The system Douglas came up with, working with Selden Spars, was to have a Selden demountable bowsprit fitted as standard equipment. From this you fly a reacher that is controlled with a Selden top-down furling system.

During our sail trial in Annapolis, after we had sailed close hauled for a while and thrown the 275 through a series of tacks, we fell off the wind, rolled up the jib and rolled out the big red, white and blue reacher. It was a simple operation that two people can manage easily.

The result was a pleasing acceleration despite the lightness of the breeze. We broad reached toward the deep water of the bay and then jibed back and forth. Hauling the big sail around the headstay with each jibe took a bit of coordination and timing but little strength. The helmsman can jibe the mainsail while the lone crew can jibe the reacher. No problem.

There were four men aboard that afternoon, which is normally a lot to fit into the cockpit of a 27-footer. But we were all able to move about the cockpit trimming sails, steering, and making tacks and jibes without bumping into each other. And, as we sailed on long tacks we were able to settle down comfortably without banging shins or huddling together.

Three or four people will be the standard crew for most racing situations and the boat will be excellent for a family with two adults and two or even three kids to have fun racing against their peers. The plan is for dealers to offer to set up one design fleets and then build a national association so there can be regional and then national regattas.

But the 275 is also a nifty little weekender that will be fun for the whole family overnighting in some pretty coves. In a real sense, the 275 is a throwback to the dual purpose boats in this size range that made MORC racing (Midgit Ocean Racing Class) so popular in the sixties and seventies. Small racer-cruisers that were affordable brought families together and gave them a platform for competition and simple cruising. It is fun to do both, after all.

DESIGN DETAILS Douglas started out with a long waterline for optimal boat speed. The 275 is 27 feet, six inches overall and has a 26-foot, seven inch waterline. This will translate into a nominal hull speed of seven knots, which is not bad for a boat of this size.

But the 275 weighs only 5,000 pounds and 40 percent of that is in the fin keel, so it is both very stiff and the hull is very light for a production boat. Plus, the aft sections of the hull are quite flat and the full eight foot, six inch beam is carried almost all the way aft. This combination means that the boat will be able to plane in the right conditions and can have breakaway speeds of 10 to 12 knots or more.

The narrow beam means the boat can be trailered from cruising ground to racing venue behind a standard family SUV. The standard fin keel that creates a total of five feet of draft enhances windward performance and makes the boat feel much larger and more stable than you might initially think when you step aboard.

One small detail that often comes up is the question of, “Where are the drink holders?” Douglas has heard this at boat shows for many years and knows that such a small detail can make the difference for some prospective buyers. And, he knows that even racers like a cool beverage while sailing from time to time. So, he created a folding double drink holder that disappears under the mainsheet traveler when not in use.

CRUISING LIFE As a compact weekender the 275 packs a lot into a small package. Down below, the boat has bench seats forward with a small wood table between them that are fine single berths. At bedtime, couples who want a double berth can lower the table to accommodate a filler cushion that transforms the forward part of the cabin into a large V-berth. A 27-footer does not normally have a lot of storage for clothes and personal gear so Douglas came up with the idea of creating portable gear bags with handles that can be hung behind the settee seats as back rests.

The idea is one of simple organization: you can take the bags home with you and fill them, then upon your return to boat you can simply hang them up. Aft and to starboard there is a long, wide single berth where the largest crewmember can sleep. But it also is designed to be big enough to accommodate a couple of stand up paddleboards or a kayak.

The 275 has a small modular galley with a sink and place for a portable stove. Across from it is the enclosed head with its own holding tank, which are standard on all boats. For a weekend away, the 275 will be comfortable for a couple or a small family. The cockpit is huge and will be the main living area while the cabin is roomy enough for evening meals, games and reading before lights out.

BWS THOUGHTS Catalina has been designing solid, well-built and practical boats for cruisers and racers for 40 years and has always remained current with the design trends and styles of the times. The new 275 is a long step toward the future for the company and we can see that there is huge potential for the boats to gain a wide and avid following. For thirty-somethings who are ready to own their own boats for racing and cruising and for sixty-somethings who are ready to scale back from big boat sailing, the 275 comes in at the right size and the right price for the job.

By George Day

Catalina 275 Sport LOA 27’6” LWL 26’7” Beam 8’6” Draft 5’0” Displ. 5,000 lbs. Ballast 2,040 lbs. Sail area 380 sq. ft. Mast height 39’0”

Catalina Yachts Largo, FL andWoodland Hills, CA Ph: 727-544-6681 www.catalinayachts.com

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Catalina 275 Sport Specs

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Catalina 275 Sport

LOA 27′ 5″ (8.36 m.) LWL 26′ 7″ (8.10 m.) Beam 8′ 4″ (2.54 m.) Disp. 4,200 lb. (1,905 kg.) Sail Area 380 sq. ft. (35.30 sq. m.) D/L 100 SA/D 23.5 Engine 14 hp Yanmar, Saildrive Designer Gerry Douglas Price $75,000

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Catalina 275 Sport

Easy breezy fun

Fun, fast and easy to sail, this latest Catalina weekender and club racer puts the zip back into sailing

T he day after the United States Sailboat Show in Annapolis, Maryland, Catalina Yachts' Gerry Douglas was in his element, hoisting and trimming sails aboard the company's brand-new 275 Sport, a club racer and daysailer-weekender that is a faster, redesigned Catalina 27. The 275 Sport made its debut at the Annapolis show and caught some people by surprise, with its plumb bow, generous freeboard, open transom and powder blue topsides. It is, indeed, a fresh tack for Catalina Yachts.

"The idea for the 275 Sport was built from lots of observations and conversations with friends who have huge boats they don't use enough," Douglas said, as he set the main and self-tacking jib in a light northeasterly. We slipped across the mouth of the Severn River toward Chesapeake Bay.

"The 275 Sport is a boat that doesn't require a large racing crew or expensive gear and intensive maintenance. It was designed to keep sailing simple and fun," he said.

Douglas, who is a company vice president and has designed yachts for Catalina since 1983, said the 275 Sport is expected to be attractive to both new and experienced sailors.

"We know there are boat owners out there who are downsizing," Douglas said. "For years they have been organizing crews for races or cruises, and now they want something they can jump aboard, sail for a few hours or a weekend and then hose it down and put it away until the next time."

In short, the people at Catalina Yachts are going with an apparent trend among boaters who want to keep it simple, whether they are experienced sailors or novices. Douglas says Chesapeake Bay dealers for Catalina Yachts have expressed interest in the 275 Sport, and much of that interest has been focused on the possibility of selling fleets of the sport boat to local or regional sailing clubs. With a waterline of 26 feet 7 inches, an 8-foot 4-inch beam, fin keel and spade rudder, the 275 Sport should be fast and easily driven. On our test sail in 6- to 8-knot breezes, the 275 Sport made close to 4 knots on an easy beat.

"Any time I can make half of wind speed going to windward, I am pretty happy," said Douglas, adding that the long waterline, full bow sections and wide, flat aft sections should create minimal drag. "The boat should perform well on all points of sail."

Later, as we turned back toward Annapolis and set the asymmetrical spinnaker, the blue-hulled 275 steadily topped 6 knots with the wind just aft of the beam. Even in the light air, the power of the rig was evident. Given 10- to 15-knots of wind, this rascal should fly.

The details

The hull is hand-laid fiberglass and the deck is one piece with molded nonskid. The overall fit and finish on hull No. 1 was excellent. There is a five-year structural warranty on the hull and a five-year protection program against blistering.

The standard boat with fin keel draws 4 feet 8 inches. An optional wing keel is available, and its 3-foot 8-inch draft may appeal to sailors in shallow areas such as Chesapeake Bay, the New Jersey back bays or the North Carolina sounds. Both keels are lead with stainless keelbolts. The fin keel weighs 2,040 pounds, while the wing keel weighs 2,200 pounds. The 275 Sport weighs 5,000 pounds, and with an 8-foot 4-inch beam, the boat is trailerable.

Both the standard and racing models come with tiller steering. The sailplan has a high-roach mainsail with slab reefing and full battens, while the 100% jib is self-tacking on a traveler installed just forward of the mast. On downwind legs, the 275 can fly an asymmetrical cruising chute tacked to a retractable bowsprit. All lines are led to the cockpit, with the ball-bearing mainsheet system on a traveler that separates the fore and aft sections of the cockpit.

According to Catalina, the best setups for downwind sailing are either a code zero with fixed luff and roller furling, or an asymmetrical with a top-down furler and a loose luff. Douglas' hull No. 1 had the top-down furler set up and the optional retractable bowsprit.

The designed sail area with 100% foretriangle is 318 square feet.

The mast and boom are anodized aluminum. There is a PVC wiring conduit and messenger line in the mast and an internal outhaul in the boom. Running rigging is low-stretch Dacron. The 275 is powered by a 2-cylinder, 14-horsepower Yanmar diesel with sail drive. The diesel moved the 275 easily and quietly. The 12-volt electrical system comes standard with a single series 27 battery, although Douglas said there is room for a second battery. The 275 has LED lighting throughout, as well as an anchor light at the masthead, steaming light and international rules compliant running lights.

Douglas has created an innovative, multipurpose boat that allows for speed, comfort and safety, from an impact absorbing crumple zone in the bow to the possible addition of a safety net across the walk-through transom. But it is the expansive cockpit that will be the center of onboard activity, and Douglas has nicely blended form and function on the 275 Sport.

"This is where you will be when you are sailing," Douglas said. "You have to be comfortable and be able to move about easily, even with four or five aboard."

Toward that end, the cockpit has been split by the mainsheet traveler, leaving the helmsman and tiller and mainsheet isolated in the after end of the cockpit. Winches and clutches are mounted on the aft end of the cabintrunk, as are optional genoa tracks. There are storage pockets for halyards and lines. Douglas also designed contoured coamings, long cockpit benches and helm seats that are raised to deck level. The helm seats allow the skipper to lean back against the 24-inch, double lifelines and watch the sails and the competition in comfort.

There are two cockpit lockers, including a large sail locker to port and large storage area to starboard. A retractable boarding ladder stores under the aft end of the self-bailing cockpit, and there is a through-deck handle for the manual bilge pump. Overall, the deck and cockpit are well laid out and functional, from the stainless steel pulpit and molded anchor locker, to the backstay purchase, which is led forward under the cockpit to a traveler beneath the cockpit sole.

Overnighting aboard the 275 Sport would be difficult for a tall person, as the cabin headroom is limited. Still, Douglas has worked an enclosed head, compact galley and three long, comfortable berths into the interior, along with more innovative touches.

The V-berth forward converts to a dinette by raising the insert. The quarterberth to starboard is lengthy, long enough, Douglas said, to store a kayak or stand up paddleboard inside.

There are storage lockers under the berths, and four removable gear bags for soft goods such as clothing are mounted as backrests. An overhead hatch and the companionway provide ventilation, and the interior trim is solid maple, and the cockpit sole is a teak-and-holly laminate.

There is overhead LED lighting and fiberglass hull liner. The galley includes a drawer for a large icechest and space for an optional stove. The sink has a hand pump that draws from a small freshwater tank. The enclosed head includes toilet, sink, opening port and a hanging locker that would be especially good for wet weather gear. A portable head is standard on the 275, but an area has been molded for the optional marine head. While the accommodations are well planned and executed, overnighting or weekending would be best for a small family or two very close friends.

Other options

Hull No. 1's light blue topsides are an eye-catching option, but white is the standard dress for the 275. For those planning to drysail or trailer this boat, a single point lifting gear is available for use with hoist or crane. An asymmetrical spinnaker with dousing sock or code zero type spinnaker with furling system, and a retractable bow sprit are options.

It seems Douglas and Catalina have exceeded their goals in designing and building the 275 Sport. It is not a bulky, go-slow cruiser, nor is it a high-tech racer. The 275 Sport is a boat that will do very well as a club racer or daysailer-and do so simply and economically. Even in light air its power is felt as the boat heels slightly, the rudder bites in and the tremors rise along the tiller. Sail it hard. Hose it down. Put it away until next time. Simply, this boat is fun.

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Would love to hear thoughts on these 2 boats. Specifically the newer toned down version of the First 27 (aluminium stick, pintop main, fixed keel, inboard). Considering performance oriented camper cruiser/day sailor, likely with some PHRF beer can racing. Would be doing a longer coastal cruise roughly 2x per year. I know it's a saturated space with lots of used boats in the size range that meet the spec but hoping to keep the focus on these two models. Especially build quality, performance ( outright, not necessarily to a rating) and any pros/cons y'all might pick up on. Anyone have experience sailing/racing/cruising the Catalina? Doubt anyone has taken delivery of a first 27 yey, but anyone thinking of putting some money down to reserve one? Cheers! J  

Both boats are spartan, and both seem targeted towards the same short-handed racer, performance cruiser (term used loosely) market, They both have been simplified from the bleeding edge and aimed at a price point. The First 27 is a serious boat, while the Catalina appears to be more of a caricature of a modern design, The First 27 SE is an updated version of the earlier Seascape 27. The Seascapes have been around for a while and were serious short-handed race boats. Beneteau bought Seascape and updated the boats and called those the First SE's. The First 27 is a detuned SE. My experience racing against a Seascape 27 is that they seem to be very quick, and very seaworthy in tough conditions. The owner described the boat as being easy to handle even when pressed. At least the Seascape versions had full sized berths that could be slept in underway. The deck ergonomics were very well done in terms of the right equipment installed in the right places. Obviously the cabin is very simplified. Even in detuned form, the First 27 appears to be a very potent performance oriented cruiser and club level racer. The engineering and build quality on the Seascapes was very highly regarded. I gather that Beneteau is maintaining that same quality at least on the SE's. I would assume the same is true on the First 27 since they are vacuum infusing the hulls and decks, and are still showing a pretty light weight, but I have no way to verify that, The Catalina 275 looks like a poser in terms of having many of the boxes checked equipment wise, but not really being designed to that same level of detail, and competency exhibited by the Seascape. Comparing the numbers on the two boats, the Catalina is overweight, under ballasted, under canvassed, with too much wetted surface relative to sail area. The interior layout was compromised to place an enclosed head near the companionway, making for a potentially less useful layout underway, but perhaps a better layout for a family. Just as a point of comparison, and for a small fraction of the cost, you might want to consider looking at a Laser 28 which rates pretty much even with both boats, but has a nicer interior layout. Jeff  

Jeff_H said: Both boats are spartan, and both seem targeted towards the same short-handed racer, performance cruiser (term used loosely) market, They both have been simplified from the bleeding edge and aimed at a price point. The First 27 is a serious boat, while the Catalina appears to be more of a caricature of a modern design, The First 27 SE is an updated version of the earlier Seascape 27. The Seascapes have been around for a while and were serious short-handed race boats. Beneteau bought Seascape and updated the boats and called those the First SE's. The First 27 is a detuned SE. My experience racing against a Seascape 27 is that they seem to be very quick, and very seaworthy in tough conditions. The owner described the boat as being easy to handle even when pressed. At least the Seascape versions had full sized berths that could be slept in underway. The deck ergonomics were very well done in terms of the right equipment installed in the right places. Obviously the cabin is very simplified. Even in detuned form, the First 27 appears to be a very potent performance oriented cruiser and club level racer. The engineering and build quality on the Seascapes was very highly regarded. I gather that Beneteau is maintaining that same quality at least on the SE's. I would assume the same is true on the First 27 since they are vacuum infusing the hulls and decks, and are still showing a pretty light weight, but I have no way to verify that, The Catalina 275 looks like a poser in terms of having many of the boxes checked equipment wise, but not really being designed to that same level of detail, and competency exhibited by the Seascape. Comparing the numbers on the two boats, the Catalina is overweight, under ballasted, under canvassed, with too much wetted surface relative to sail area. The interior layout was compromised to place an enclosed head near the companionway, making for a potentially less useful layout underway, but perhaps a better layout for a family. Just as a point of comparison, and for a small fraction of the cost, you might want to consider looking at a Laser 28 which rates pretty much even with both boats, but has a nicer interior layout. Jeff Click to expand...

Layla said: Hey J, I'm new to sailing, so my knowledge that is based on articles and such shouldn't matter for you that much. I couldn't help but join the conversation as I'm pretty interested in the subject. For the folks who helped me here with their recommendations, I think I owe you some updates in regards to my sailing plans. I've decided to postpone my first sailboat purchase to the summer of 22. After the release of a serious of vaccinations, I thought the pandemic would already be left behind by now, but I was obviously wrong; this summer is still not a good time to touch the savings, I believe. The good news is I've found out that I'll be able to rent Sunfish sailboats at a lake only a few hours away, and I'm planning to do that as many weekends as possible this summer. If everything goes as projected, my first ~20ft keel sailboat plan will happen on a close by lake in the summer of the year 2022. The long term plans include moving by the ocean hopefully and owning a ~27ft daysailor for the decades to come. Here is where my interest in the matter comes into play. This post is far from being a purchase inquiry, just a chit chat about these amazing sailboats. Well, I better end this paragraph before it hijacks this great discussion. I was not planning to post here again until I finally buy a sailboat, but then I read this thread and said, "Did somebody say Catalina 275 vs First 27?" Here is the first question mark that has immediately popped up in my head. When I look at the hull of the Catalina 275, other then her keel, it looks like the canoes with flat bottoms - and First 27 has an arch shaped bottom in comparison. This difference makes me think that Catalina 275 might resist the initial heeling, but when she heels, she'll heel good. First 27, might sail like a race sailboat always while Catalina 275 might possibly be more comfortable and heel less in light winds. Am I missing something here? I believe Seaspace, now First 27 SE, is full of practical details. How the outboard magicly disappears from sight is brilliant. I think First 27 is a like a calm weekender version of Seaspace with her inboard diesel, 'easier' sails, and fixed keel. All is great, but I wish Beneteau had kept the outboard magic of Seaspace instead of the diesel. There is J/80 too. With her outboard motor and simple interior, she must be giving her owner less headaces compared to 27 and 275. J/88 and J/99 are I think too long for the comparison purposes. I like the Colgate 26 the most when I think of these kinds of sailboats. There is no wood to maintain. The basic version comes with a porta-potty only - no sinks, marine heads, or such features to maintain inside, just like owning a new Capri 22 - but bigger. It has easy rigs and simple fixed fin keel. A design with minimum maintenance, I believe. I wonder how it does sail. Can it sail in the ocean where Seaspace 27s sail? I don't know about J/80 or First 27 SE, but I bet Colgate 26 sails better than Catalina 275 - and 'possibly' tad bit better than First 27. What do you experienced sailors think about that? Click to expand...

Layla said: Hello Jeff, The OP was not even talking about the other two boats that I replied about. He actually specifically asked not to mention other sailboats, and I still did that. Also I pretty much brought up my own concerns and totally disregarded OP's main questions. Sorry OP... You see my novice eyes don't see the differences among these kinds of sailboats yet, and it frustrates me sometimes - well, oftentimes. For me, they all look the same, but actually, they were all built for different purposes. It's early for me to worry about boats this size but still would like to learn - at least, I wanna be able to catch the differences when I look at them and undrestand how the boat will sail due to those details. When I look at a motorcycle, I understand what is designed for, a cafe racer, a super bike, a cruiser or what not. Not with most sailboats. When I compare First 27 SE and First 27, I see the keels are different, a few details inside are different, sails are different, and one of them is diesel and other is outboard, let's say in a creative way. But I cannot put my finger on on such details as "this will be a better racer, or this will be easy to maintain, or whatever I should spot right away." The only reason that I'd think First 27 is the tuned down version of First 27 SE is because of the sails. You answered all my questions here on this specific post, but I still have one more of course. I don't think I understand the advantage of the diesel in the tuned down Seascape 27 (First 27 - without the SE). Another question is what are the low maintenance calm day sailors of that size. Let's say 27 - 37 ft day sailors that doesn't require a lot of maintenance. Boats of that size that were not desinged to live aboard but to daysail. I can start a new thread if you'd like; I think I've done enough to this great thread. Click to expand...

Jeff_H said: With all due respect, I suggest that you are missing it on almost all points: While you personally are interested in a low maintenance daysailer with minimal accommodations, the original poster asked for an evaluation of two boats on how those boats that met specific criteria ("performance oriented camper cruiser/day sailor, likely with some PHRF beer can racing" and while well constructed, looking at the other hot button issue "performance- outright, not necessarily to a rating "). That is very different than the criteria that you are applying. It is important to understand that matter what criteria is applied, the four boats mentioned very different types of boats. Three of the boats were designed for targeted purposes and are very good boats for their purposes. The fourth is some kind of hybrid, not excelling at anything in particular. It should be noted that none of these boats are cruisers in the traditional sense. To be more specific and explain my comments further: 1) The Colgate 26 was purposefully singularly designed as a platform to teach sailing on. It is responsive and sails very well, but it is purposefully docile enough not to scare a new sailor. They are equipped with all of the 'bells and whistles' so that they can be used to teach racing skills as well as basic sailing skills, They were not designed as a race boat or as an overnighter, and while they make decent one design racers or decent daysailor, they are not at all what the original poster was asking about: "performance oriented camper cruiser/day sailor, likely with some PHRF beer can racing" and while well constructed, looking at the other hot button issue "performance ( outright, not necessarily to a rating) " it would not appear particularly high on the list of viable alternatives. What the Colgate does have going for it is low drag relative to stability making it easier to handle. But that comes at the price of performance, and lower overall stability and performance than a more modern design. . 2) The J-80 is an old school sport-boat, that is not all that sporty compared to modern designs. It can be used by sailing schools and is used by J-World in their racing schools. It is a mildly higher performer than the Colgate but less forgiving. They remain good one-design race boats because they are relatively evenly matched and reward a well sailed race with a well deserved result. Campaigning a J-80 is relatively affordable as well. 3) The Seascape (SE) and First 27 embodies much more of modern design principles than the other 3 boats. Between their hull form, ballast ratio, and ballast distribution, these boats have enormous amounts of stability, way more than the other three, and properly sailed have very low drag., The SE's carry a scary amount of sail, but all of the tools to tame that sail plan in heavy conditions. They are capable of planning and hitting very high speeds reaching. The SE versions are less forgiving than the other boats on this list but in the right hands are way more offshore capable and seaworthy. These are highly sophisticated designs in a way that none of the other three boats are. Given the OP's original stated goals, it clearly is the closest to what is being asked for. While the outboard on the SE and Seascape is convenient for a serious race boat, a diesel is way more practical and useful for a dual purpose boat like the First 27. It is the of these boats that would be suitable for ocean racing, or short handed mid-length (200-500 miles) passage making. 4) Each of the other three boats were designed for a specific purpose and, in their day, they were about as good as it got for that specific purpose (1. School platform, 2 One-design race boat, 3. Short-handed racer/cruiser) and embody a lot virtues for their chosen roles in life. The Catalina 275, appears to have none of the virtues of the other three boats. It is a hybrid of ideas, that make it less desirable than any of the others for the given purpose of the original poster. Like many hybrid concepts, judging by the information available, these would not perform any of those specific functions as well as the other three boats, nor would it perform any combination of those functions as well as some of the other boats, With its higher drag, and small SA/D the Catalina would need to powered up sooner and more aggressively than the other boats and so would be tend to tend not to sail well in lighter air and to heel more than the other boats as the breeze came on. There is no reason to believe that the Catalina would be more comfortable or easier to sail than the others on this list. Respectfully, Jeff Hey Jeff, Appreciate the thoughtful reply. I think I jumped the gun a bit on this post. You are absolutely right, it's a poor comparison. In truth, I've pretty much settled on the First. The Catalina escaped me in my research and given the price point and sporty look of thing, I panicked. I've been drooling over the Seascape since it splashed. In a different life with more money and time to sail it the way it was designed, ide be all over it, but I'm not going to be campaigning a boat anytime soon. When Beneteau split the line, it seemed a lot more reasonable and I think I'm just going to take the plunge. Cheers! Click to expand...

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I am wondering if the following stats actually mean anything... Catalina 275 rated Category A certified First 27 / 27SE rated Category B certified Does this imply that the Catalina has more distance sailing chops than the Beneteau? I'm genuinely interested in this rating. Looking forward to your thoughts. ...comments anyone?  

CE classification system is applied to European made boats or boats exported for sale in the EU. Not sure Catalina 275 has a CE rating. If it does, it wouldn't be category A which rates for unlimited offshore sailing. The DNA of the Seascape/First 27 boats is in Mini class and Class 40 offshore racing types and the boat's niche is the shorthanded coastal distance race segment of the sport. The Catalina is geared more as a day boat with accommodations to weekend/overnight. CE classification not withstanding, I wouldn't want to be offshore in Force 8+ in either boat but would take my chances in the Seascape over the Catalina any day. J  

Hi J, Understand all your views. Though, check out the Catalina 275 PDF Brochure attached. Clearly stated: CE rated Category A (bottom left corner, page 1). I am wondering why Catalina would state such, if they did not think it was up to it?  

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I can't speak specifically about why the literature on the Catalina 275 would indicate that it has a CE Class 'A' rating, and whether that rating is actually accurate, but I can perhaps speculate and add information on why that might be the case. To begin with the European Commission- Recreational Craft Directory (RCD) looks at a range of issues to make that determination. These include a stability index that considers stability and down-flooding. There are some structural components and like ABYC it includes appendices that address components of construction. There was a huge amount of research that went into developing the RCD, That research produced a variety of recommendations. But the actual RCD as adopted required approval by all of the countries making up the European Commission, and what was negotiated was basically a detuned set of regulations that were intended to allow the manufacturers from member countries to continue to produce boats basically as they had been. That said, the basic research has filtered into the design of boats which is why modern cruising designs do not look like the 1970's era cruisers. Designing to the RCD tends to produce boats with way more stability than the older designs and better resistance to down-flooding. It also tends to produce stronger and more durable boats than were previously constructed. In the case of any particular model, the RCD process of qualifying for Class A (Open Ocean) rating is a bit of a multiple choice exam requiring a lot of calculations to get the right answer. If you check all the right boxes, the boat is rated as Class A. Designers and manufacturers have learned to game the system in terms of incrementally designing above the standard to be able to check the boxes that they need to check to get the rating that they want. But even if a boat is rated as A-Open Ocean, that does not mean that it is suitable for use on the open ocean. The RCD mainly looks at safety issues and so while the boat may be safely used on the open ocean, that does not mean that the design of the rig, hull, or the cabin and deck layout make sense offshore. Jeff  

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• Sailboat Parts and Equipment $1 West Chester PA
• Chesapeake Light craft Southwester Dory $11,000 Annapolis
• 1977 Irwin Mark IV 28’ Sailboat - $4000 w/slip, $6,000 Galesville
• Kittywake 23 sailboat $300 Annapolis
• Freedom 28 Cat Ketch $9,500 Solomons MD
• 1984 Catalina 25 Sailboat $3,000 Mayo, Maryland
• Flying Scot Sailboat $3,000 Annapolis
• Sheel 46 Blue Water - UNIQUE, BEAUTIFUL..! $49,000 Galesville
• Hunter 466 for sale $150,000 Annapolis
• Tashiba 36 Pilothouse $85,000 Deltaville VA
• C&C 29 $0
• SR MAX 21 Sailboat $2,000 Annapolis
• Shannon 28 Sailboat $14,000 Shadyside, Md
• 1971 Pearson 30 $4,000 Annapolis
• 1983 Hunter 34 Sailboat $25,000 Deale
• The Sovereign of the Seas Model Hand Built $13,000 Annapolis Maryland Quite Water Park Area
• 1967 Seafarer 31 $4,000 Annapolis
• Expertly Crafted 32 Foot Westsail $49,900 Barnegat
• Sailboat Hunter 25ft with Solar Panels $8,000 Galesville
• Sailboat Mast or Flagpole $100 SEVERNA PARK
• Sunfish for teaching scouts $1 Davidsonville
• 2016 Marlow Hunter 31 $109,900 Annapolis
• Selden furler for sale $400 Galesville
• Pearson 323 Sails Like A Dream $13,000 Severna Park
• 1990 Trinka 8 dinghy $2,000 Severna Park
• Laser $1,000 Severna Park
• 2020 Catalina 22 Sport Sailboat $37,500 Annapolis
• 2016 Marlow Hunter 31 $109,900 Washington DC
• Bosan's Chair.....Heavy Duty $75 Kent Island or Morgantown, PA
• 55 yards of 12 OZ. Dacron Sail Cloth $550 Edgewater
• Literally New symmetrical Spinnaker in Perfect condition. $250 Edgewater
• Mercury (short shaft) 3.5 4-stroke outboard motor $700 Beltsville
• Sailboat Package $2,900 Annapolis
• Milwaukee Super Hawg $265 Port Annapolis Marina
• Windsurfers and gear, updated picture and prices. $400 Annapolis
• Triple axle aluminum trailer $6,995 Edenton NC
• Pearson 35' 1980 $4,000 Machodoc Dalgren
• Nova Kool RFS7501 Refrigerator $800 Annapolis
• Tenderly Sailing Dinghy $5,000 Annapolis
• Catameran Trailer $1,150 Annapolis
• Inflatable Sport Boats - Dinghy, Tenders, Fishing Boat and ISUP $1,499 FREE NATIONWIDE DELIVERY
• 1977 American AG Sailboat with trailer $4,500 Germantown md
• 505 sailboat $4,000 Annapolis
• Big boat rigging bits & pieces (new &used) $150 Mayo, Edgewater
• Circuit breakers (new) $10 Mayo, Edgewater
• Pompanette Gaff $100
• 10 ft Plastic Lapstrake Dinghy / Tender, dbl row stations. UNSINKABLE $100 Edgewater
• PYI Packless shaft seal… $175 Annapolis
• Raymarine Micro Compass $75 Ashburn, Va
• 1989 Catalina 34 Sailboat $24,750 Annapolis
• Re-powered Pearson 39-2 For Sale $79,500 Annapolis
• 4 Drawer Chest $77 Arnold
• 15ft FAREAST RIB and Boat Rack $24,000 Annapolis, MD
• CSY 44 $65,000 White Stone
• Lightning Sailboat $0
• J24 Sailboat 1979 $3,700 King George
• Precision 18 $4,900 Galesville