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Grampian 30 a good boat? I am set up to look at a Grampian 30 but know little about the company or quality or the boat itself. I am looking for a sturdier boat to replace my macgregor 25 so i can feel comfortable along the Florida coast with regular trips to the bahamas. I the boat has no outboard but I would put in a siolid honda 4cyl to power me when I need to. I am guesssing the boat has a well but I am not sure. Any on who knows anything about what to watch for or has owned on please reply amd fill me in so I know what to look for. I don''t even know the keel configuration and hope it lifts as I sail shallow waters. Any info or experience with a 1979 or similar Grampian 30 would be much appreciated. the Boat comes with extra sails and heavy rigging. Anyone.........PLEAASE help me understand the quality of the boat i am looking at and does it compare to say a a Hunter? Fill me in Thanks Troy  

Grampian 30 a good boat? Grampian was a very early fiberglass boat builder. I actually owned one of their boats from the mid 1960''s. In the mid 1960''s they were considered to be a reasonably high quality company. In the late 1960''s Grampian retooled its line coming out with boats that were highly budget oriented and not very well built. Compared to their earlier boats this new line had little to recommend it except inexpensive pricing and a lot of room for a 30 footer. The Grampian 30 that I knew best was really pretty shodily constructed and was a mediocre sailor at best. Grampian was one of the last companies to use extensively plastic laminate (formica) over plywood. While plastic laminate is easy to wipe down it allows the substrate to rot out undetected. Comparing the build quality of the Grampian 30 to the Hunter 30 of that era, the Hunter was much better constructed and finished and was a faster and more easily handled boat. The real issue with the poorer constucted boats of that day is how well they were treated over the 25 years of their existance. Did the owner replace the problem systems and upgrade hardware? Have rotted bulkheads and lightweight chainplates been replaced? have modern electronics been installed? Have they purchased new sails and replaced rigging? And so on. These boats originally had an Atomic 4 inboard. I don''t think that there was an outboard option. I cannot imagine installing an outboard on a Grampian 30. It would be a very big job to do correctly. So while the Grampain 30 would be a big jump up in quality from your Magregor 25 these are still not very high quality boats and given the age of the boat, I would be very careful about buying one. Even if you bought one as a fixer upper, these boats have such low resale values even in pristine shape that unlike a higher quality boat that was down on its luck, these would be a hard boat to recover a reasonable portion of your investment at resale, especially if equipped with an outboard. One last minor point. I believe that the Grampian 30 went out of production before 1979 but I could be wrong on that. Respectfully, Jeff  

My G-30 is built like a tank and has no formica in it.  

Hunters do not come anywhere near the quality of Grampian.  

I never sailed a Grampian 30, but I looked at a few with the serious intention of buying one. My initial impression was that it was quite large down below, lots of standing room, but when I sat in the salon of the last one I looked at, I couldn't lean back to 90 deg. The back of my head was hitting the corner where the cabin steps down to the deck. I would have had to sit hunched over any time I was below decks. I'm 5' 6" tall ( There's an oxymoron!). I'm not used to bumping my head and I figure I'm too old to get used to it now. So when you look at that boat, take a seat down below. All in all, I liked the lines and the layout of the 28 better. Just my personal opinion. Some reference material here: http://sailquest.com/market/models/models3.htm  

Grampian closed in July 1977. It is possible that some of their unfinished inventory would have been sold to individuals who finished the boats and registered them afterwards as a 79 model. The last four digits of the hull identification number (on the transom) will give the month and year of build so you can check if 1979 is right or not. There are some resources where you can learn more about the G30: Grampian website: http://www.grampianowners.com/ Yahoo group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Grampiansailboats/ You need to sign up to become a member to access the contents. Previous discussion of the G28: http://www.sailnet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33342 As for suitability for Bahamas trips, here's a quote from a message on the Yahoo mailing list: Re: Mounting an outboard motor on a G30? I called the previous owner and he said the out board motor for this boat is a Johnson 25 HP. As an aside, when he bought the boat, he found the original owner's log on board. The boat made 4 trips across the pond and back! ​ If it surveys well, I personally wouldn't have any concern coastal cruising in a G30. Good luck, Tim  

I hate to break it to you guys, but the original poster has been MIA since '03. Probably bought the boat not listening to Jeff's opinion and sunk on his way to the islands.  

LOL... dead thread revival...  

Sorry to bump this old thread! I found this thread while googling for some information and would like to see if anyone else can give me their informed opinion. I'm hopefully going to become a first time sailboat owner within the next few months, and I have been looking around for something suitable. I have found a 1974 grampian 30 and the asking price is $11,500. I intend to offer about $7k and might pay a bit more. Can anyone give me their opinion of these boats? Is it possible to live aboard? (1 person) Are they fast, strong, or not worth the money? Is there another boat in the same price range you would recommend instead? Thanks for any information Any information would be appreciated.  

Alright, sorry: The boat will be kept in eastern NC, and sailed in the mid atlantic. I'm definitely not going any further than the bahamas with it. I live about 30 minutes from the coast and have several options of places to store it. Got a recommendation of better value for the money? I'd love to hear it. I intend to get something better in the future, but I'm new to sailing things this large and I'm on a budget.  

southernsmoke said: Alright, sorry: The boat will be kept in eastern NC, and sailed in the mid atlantic. I'm definitely not going any further than the bahamas with it. I live about 30 minutes from the coast and have several options of places to store it. Got a recommendation of better value for the money? I'd love to hear it. I intend to get something better in the future, but I'm new to sailing things this large and I'm on a budget. Click to expand...

You could look at this search on Boats.com . There are quite a few good candidates there. The Pearson Triton, while only 28' is an excellent boat. There are also several Ericsons, larger Pearsons, Catalina 30s, etc. Most of these boats are basically coastal cruisers, and as such would require some care in planning if you plan to hop along the Caribbean to the Bahamas. There is a Westerly Longbow 31' sailboat listed , which, if in good condition, might be a good choice. The Westerly brand of boats are generally well regarded and fairly seaworthy.  

Thanks for the responses, here is the actual link : EDIT: damn. it wont let me post the link until i have 10 posts. The actual boat is listed on the boats.com website, the listing id is 1710261  

My first boat was a grampian 26, 1969. I got it for 1300 buck in November of 2003. I gave it away to our local youth sailing association in March of 2004 because that was faster than cutting it up and hauling it away and I wanted the slip for my Hunter. They sold it for 500 bucks a year later and now it's sitting in dry storage at the local marina where it was claimed for overdue fees. When I got it the survey had been done by a pretty reputable company basically it passed with minor issues, but then I've never seen a survey that said 'why this boat is afloat is a wish and a guess'. I think that's a pretty clear assessment of it's quality.  

Some of the Grampians i believe were designed by Peter Van Dine of the Tancook Whaler fame. I always thought his designs were quite good (sail well) - but cant speak to the build quality of the manuf.  

Just since this thread pops up whenever someone searches for a Grampian 30 online, I figure it is worth keeping it updated. I sail an old G30 out of Annapolis, and have come to love it. As for my comparison with others I have known, I can say this: 1. It is a great boat for people who plan on spending a lot of time belowdecks, it has a lot of room and feels like a larger boat, and a lot of headroom as often noted. I use it often as a "get-away" cabin of sorts on the Bay, and for the size and cost, I have not found better. If you want a small, semi-live-aboard, it is a good choice. 2. It is solid as hell, build sturdy and simple. The simplicity makes for a good custom boat for many DIYers who want to update above and below decks as they best see fit. 3. As for sailing: It is a fair handler, I think many have said that it is a great big wind boat, but in light winds it is a bit of a pig. I wouldn't disagree. After a few years, I have managed to understand most of it's unique sailing characteristics, and it does me very well.  

Also... Cruising world has recently published a short review.  

'72 G 30' am looking at a '72 G 30 as we speak... taken over by the marina due to failure to pay slip rental, so they dont have much in it...... needs new rigging, on a 30' probably 500-750?. atomic needs work or replaced. turns over, but gas is stale, and carbs probably need a kit. needs upgrade to electric panel. etc etc... sails need reconditioned.... h20 tank in question... lol. head works. glass looks good. not leaky in the slightest even with a bum hatch closure. did notice one soft spot where they life line stay meets starboard side, not too bad. no stove, yet oddly fixed with A/C they are asking 5, i thought i'd bid 'em 3 as a fixer upper, or pay the ask if they will put it on the hard and do a bottom job. any thoughts? looks like it just needs some tlc, but already has a good feel.  

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> > > 28-12-2019, 13:54   Boat: Grampian 26 to . I was recently given a 26 and was wondering if it could be capable of such a trip and if so what modifications it would need? I'm still young and don't need it to be comfortable but I want to be sure it'll make it in one piece. The and rig seem solid. Would the size of the be a problem with waves? The drains would obviously need to be expanded. would the need to be reinforced? What other issues could you see with it? 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Drop the daggerboard and replace the hinge pin and pennant, and make sure the pennant gland won't leak as you pull the board up and down. Check the board for water intrusion and delamination--I had one break off at the trunk mid on a similar (Irwin 27). It kinda crimps your style. Make a return plan. Do you want to stay in forever, or will you sell the , or will you sail it back? It can be hard to sell little, older like that. Obviously replace the standing if it's over ten years old, and make sure your and lines are good. Best to check chainplates for and replace as necessary. Phew. Good thing it's a . 29-12-2019, 03:38   Boat: (Cruiser Living On Dirt) of information on the Owners’ website: ➥ Including a “Manual” ➥ and much more ... 29-12-2019, 04:26   Boat: Cabo Rico 34 26..great inshore boat..I’d hesitate for off shore .. Very limited in water and capacity. Is this an inboard or version? 29-12-2019, 09:23   Boat: Grampian 26 to Hawaii. I was recently given a Grampian 26 and was wondering if it could be capable of such a trip and if so what modifications it would need? I'm still young and don't need it to be comfortable but I want to be sure it'll make it in one piece. The and rig seem solid. Would the size of the cockpit be a problem with waves? The drains would obviously need to be expanded. would the rigging need to be reinforced? What other issues could you see with it? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated 29-12-2019, 09:28   Boat: Cape Dory 31 for a variety of reasons...no seahood over the , flimsy , narrow side decks, cabinhouse windows (not ports) are huge and poorly attached, no bridge in the cockpit, huge cockpit capacity, small cockpit drains, small capacity, bulkheads not glassed to the hull, light rigging, poor sailing performance, small winches, Minimal for , small chainplates, etc. 29-12-2019, 09:44   Boat: Nonsuch 30 29-12-2019, 09:54   Boat: Rafiki 37 . Not fancy or prissy, but solid where it counts. I am aware of Gramp 30s doing long distance (trans oceans, perhaps RTW), and of course Gramp 34s have done much travel. I've also heard about many Gramp 26s doing long distance coastal journeys. But I can't say I've heard about 26s doing trans-ocean journeys. I'm sure it must have happened, but it must be rare. Simply put, there were not designed for this task. The , for example, are too big and too flimsy. Side decks are way too small for functional . I'd look hard at stanchion backing. And I wonder about the suitability of the standing rigging. Other limitations would be tankage and a relatively large cockpit. Personally, I'd not do what you are contemplating with a Gramp 26 -- not without some major upgrades. At that point you can probably by a better option in the 32-foot range. I'm sure you do this given a Gramp 26 that is well set up, and with a fair bit of skill and some good luck. But I would not do it. 29-12-2019, 10:47   curve, and that before you contemplate a life on the rolling deep, you need to get some further distance up onto the steep part of that curve :-)! The question that needs to be asked is NOT the one you ask, viz is the G26 up to an oceanic crossing, but rather this: Is YOUR G26 up to it, and are YOU? Half a century ago I sailed G26s often, partly for pleasure together with a raucous bunch of lads and lasses - all Vancouverites, but more often as a senior instructor for the that then was pioneering the teaching format still used by sailing schools all around the world today. The "crew" was then four students, all of them lubbers and sailing-wise green as . Gord May has already given you the means to begin to “climb the curve” via the he has put before you, but be cautioned that articles appearing in "the glossies" (e.g. Pacific Yachting) are merely encrypted advertising to fill the spaces among the obvious advertisements, and should not be given more weight than they merit. So let me add some opinions that have been floating around my intellectual for that half century :-) The G26 is a fine little inshore boat – far superior in every respect that matters to me to its contemporary in terms of and target market, the 27. Here are a coupla I recommend you study: From these two references you will see that the G26 has a Sail Area/Displacement Ratio of 17.89 versus the Catalina's S/D of 15.22. You will also see that the G26 has a Displacement/Length Ratio of 216.94 versus the C27's 297.21. From that you may deduce by the very crudest of analyses that the G26 will be a “better sailing” boat than is the C27, as, indeed, in my experience, she is. Within limits that we can discuss at some other time, a HIGH S/D is good, as is a LOW D/L. A LOW S/D is bad, as is a HIGH D/L. Do not be confused by the reference in May's material to the “PHRF Rating”. That number is relevant only to the man, and is of no relevance whatever to the cruising man. But ocean capability consists of a great deal more than these parameters, and a great deal of it is not even expressible in such numbers. Here is a reference you may find useful, although it is not directly applicable to you, as you will not be . It does, nevertheless, direct your attention to things that EVERY (including single-handers) needs to contemplate in preparation for an ocean voyage. [23449].pdf As you will see, it addresses not only the VESSEL's fitness, but also the CREW's fitness. Now, of more direct application to your situation, the RIGGING of G26s was not dimensioned for the stresses of an “oh poop!” situation arising at sea, and you should pay particular attention to the state of your particular boat's rigging. One dark and stormy night on from Keat's Island to Silva Bay while passing over McCall Bank, I sailed the out of a G26, so I know whereof I speak. I think I can say with confidence that the puddles in which the students then sat were not entirely composed of sea water :-)! Do not let the above deter you from pursuing your dream. Do, however, let it be a warning that such dreams are fraught with complexities that you only know about innately if you are among the fortunate few who came out of the womb sculling a skiff! All the best :-) TrentePieds 29-12-2019, 12:53   Boat: Looking for my next boat! , Canada). They are well built, not fancy. With a little prep, I think the boat could do the trip, but it would be miserable and wet. Limited space would mean the boat would be jam packed with supplies and water. It would likely be too rough to cook most of the time. I would expect all your to be soaked with the first big waves, and stay soaked for the whole trip. There are other small boats which are better suited for the task. Can the G26 make it...yes. Should you do it? NO. IMHO. 29-12-2019, 13:56   Boat: morgan O/I 33' sloop . Also, unless given a total in the last 10-15 years, I woulld not venture more than a day or two from port. , , , Thread Tools Rate This Thread : Posting Rules post new threads post replies post attachments edit your posts is are code is are are are Similar Threads Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post twistedtree Seamanship & Boat Handling 68 03-02-2013 14:39 Reef_Walker Monohull Sailboats 10 27-01-2011 07:44 For Sale: RedBellies Classifieds Archive 0 12-05-2010 16:18 perchance Monohull Sailboats 1 21-12-2008 18:35 SkiprJohn Monohull Sailboats 3 10-04-2008 12:58 - - - - - - - Privacy Guaranteed - your email is never shared with anyone, opt out any time. Grampian 22 The grampian 22 is a 22.33ft fractional sloop designed by george cuthbertson and built in fiberglass by grampian marine between 1969 and 1971.. The Grampian 22 is a light sailboat which is a very high performer. It is very stable / stiff and has a low righting capability if capsized. It is best suited as a racing boat. Grampian 22 for sale elsewhere on the web: Main features Model Grampian 22 Length 22.33 ft Beam 7 ft Draft 3.75 ft Country Canada (North America) Estimated price $ 0 ?? Login or register to personnalize this screen. You will be able to pin external links of your choice. See how Sailboatlab works in video Sail area / displ. 22.97 Ballast / displ. 51.52 % Displ. / length 139.35 Comfort ratio 10.10 Capsize 2.37 Hull type Monohull fin keel with spade rudder Construction Fiberglass Waterline length 17.42 ft Maximum draft 3.75 ft Displacement 1650 lbs Ballast 850 lbs Hull speed 5.59 knots We help you build your own hydraulic steering system - Lecomble & Schmitt Rigging Fractional Sloop Sail area (100%) 200 sq.ft Air draft 0 ft ?? Sail area fore 78.75 sq.ft Sail area main 129.85 sq.ft I 21 ft J 7.50 ft P 26.50 ft E 9.80 ft Nb engines 1 Total power 0 HP Fuel capacity 0 gals Accommodations Water capacity 0 gals Headroom 0 ft Nb of cabins 0 Nb of berths 0 Nb heads 0 Builder data Builder Grampian Marine Designer George Cuthbertson First built 1969 Last built 1971 Number built 0 ?? Modal Title The content of your modal. Personalize your sailboat data sheet Paste a link here: Give it a title: And eventually a link to an image for the thumbnail: Great choice! Your favorites are temporarily saved for this session. Sign in to save them permanently, access them on any device, and receive relevant alerts. Sailboat Guide Associations Grampian Owners Marina A lot of stuff here on all Grampian Models 13 Sailboats Grampian 26 Grampian 23 Grampian 30 Grampian 28 Grampian 34 Grampian 2-34 Grampian Classic 37 Grampian 46 Grampian 22 Grampian Discovery 7.9 Grampian classic 22. About Sailboat Guide ©2024 Sea Time Tech, LLC This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply. 182 COMMENTS GRAMPIAN 26 Grampians most popular model and one the most successful boats of this size built in Canada. A keel/cb version was also produced in small numbers. Rarer still is a raised deck version, called the DISCOVERY 7.9, introduced in 1979. Grampian offered a Palmer (gas) inboard as an option. Displacement and ballast shown here are as stated for keel ... Grampian Marine Grampian Marine was one of the first manufacturers fiberglass sailboats in Canada. It was founded by Jim Bisiker, owner of a construction company at Oakville, Ontario. Bisiker, along with Dick Kneulman and John Burn began building small fiberglass boats under license from Dyer Yachts of Rhode Island, USA. At the time, Dyer was at the leading edge for this technology and all three men had spent ... Grampian 30 Sailboat Review From its reverse stern to its spoon bow, the Grampian 30 has a springy sheer and sweet lines. The cabin trunk is clearly of 1970s vintage, but considering that the boat is a shade under 30 feet and has 6 feet 4 inches of headroom, McGruer did well to keep it from looking overly chunky. For a boat its size, the Grampian 30 has ample ... Grampian 26 Grampian 26. This model was introduced in 1967, with a fin keel. It has a length overall of 26.00 ft (7.9 m), a waterline length of 21.75 ft (6.6 m), displaces 5,600 lb (2,540 kg) and carries 2,600 lb (1,179 kg) of ballast. The boat has a draft of 3.00 ft (0.91 m) with the standard keel fitted. The boat has a PHRF racing average handicap of 228 ... Grampian Marine Grampian Marine was one of the first manufacturers fiberglass sailboats in Canada. It was founded by Jim Bisiker, owner of a construction company at Oakville, Ontario. Bisiker, along with Dick Kneulman and John Burn began building small fiberglass boats under license from Dyer Yachts of Rhode Island, USA. At the time, Dyer was at the leading ... Grampian 30 The Grampian 30 is a 29.75ft masthead sloop designed by Alex McGruer and built in fiberglass by Grampian Marine between 1969 and 1977. 400 units have been built. ... The data on this page has been derived from different sources but a significant part is attributed to sailboatdata.com. We thank them for their encouragements and friendly ... Grampian 30 Grampian 30. The Grampian 30 is a small recreational keelboat, built predominantly of fiberglass, with wood trim. It has a masthead sloop rig, a raked stem, a reverse transom and an internally-mounted spade-type rudder controlled by a wheel. It may be fitted with a fixed fin keel or, optionally a centreboard and stub keel. Grampian 34 The Grampian 34 is a 33.58ft masthead ketch designed by Charles Angle/Axel Schmidt and built in fiberglass by Grampian Marine between 1972 and 1977. ... The data on this page has been derived from different sources but a significant part is attributed to sailboatdata.com. We thank them for their encouragements and friendly collaboration. Grampian sailboats for sale by owner. 30' Etchells 22 Nautical Donations Crowleys Yacht Yard 3434 E 95th St Chicago Il 60617, Illinois Asking $12,000 Grampian 34 Grampian 34 is a 33′ 7″ / 10.2 m monohull sailboat designed by Charles Angle and built by Grampian Marine between 1972 and 1977. Great choice! Your favorites are temporarily saved for this session. ... Source: sailboatdata.com / CC BY. Embed Embed. View Demo. Embed this page on your own website by copying and pasting this code. Discovery 79 grampian The Discovery 79 grampian is a 26.0ft masthead sloop designed by Alex McGruer and built in fiberglass by Grampian Marine between 1975 and 1977. ... The data on this page has been derived from different sources but a significant part is attributed to sailboatdata.com. We thank them for their encouragements and friendly collaboration. Grampian 2-34 Grampian 2-34 is a 33′ 9″ / 10.3 m monohull sailboat designed by R. van der Staad and built by Grampian Marine between 1974 and 1977. Great choice! Your favorites are temporarily saved for this session. ... Source: sailboatdata.com / CC BY. Embed Embed. View Demo. Embed this page on your own website by copying and pasting this code. GRAMPIAN 30 LENGTH: Traditionally, LOA (length over all) equaled hull length. Today, many builders use LOA to include rail overhangs, bowsprits, etc. and LOD (length on deck) for hull length. That said, LOA may still mean LOD if the builder is being honest and using accepted industry standards developed by groups like the ABYC (American Boat and Yacht Council). GRAMPIAN 46 Notes. With the exception of the unique feature of tandem centerboards, (offered as an option) the GRAMPIAN 46 seems to be nearly the same design as the US 46. Both of these yachts are probably from the same tooling used to build the earlier US 41. Grampian 30 a good boat? Grampian was one of the last companies to use extensively plastic laminate (formica) over plywood. While plastic laminate is easy to wipe down it allows the substrate to rot out undetected. Comparing the build quality of the Grampian 30 to the Hunter 30 of that era, the Hunter was much better constructed and finished and was a faster and more ... Grampian 26 for offshore passage I'm a former owner of a Grampian 34 (ketch), and have sailed, and been up close, to many Gramp 26s and 30s. They are all solidly built, straightforward boats. Not fancy or prissy, but solid where it counts. I am aware of Gramp 30s doing long distance (trans oceans, perhaps RTW), and of course Gramp 34s have done much travel. Grampian 22 The Grampian 22 is a 22.33ft fractional sloop designed by George Cuthbertson and built in fiberglass by Grampian Marine between 1969 and 1971. ... The data on this page has been derived from different sources but a significant part is attributed to sailboatdata.com. We thank them for their encouragements and friendly collaboration. Grampian 30, anyone? : r/sailing It's a grampian 30. From what ive read it's pretty tough, stiff, have nice interior space but sailing performance are so-so. The one I'm looking at have been pretty heavily refitted tho, outside and inside, by a long term owner, and is very very well equiped for exactly the kind of trip I want to take. Grampian Owners Marina Source: sailboatdata.com / CC BY. Suggest Improvements 13 Sailboats Sailboat. Grampian 26. 1967 • 25 ... Grampian Discovery 7.9. 1975 • 25 ... CLASSIC 22 (GRAMPIAN) Later (1969?) called the GRAMPIAN 22. Nearly the same as the VIKING 22, BLUEJACKET 23, and GAZELLE 22 from Ontario Yachts. Dimensions from Grampian Marine literature. (circa 1966) GRAMPIAN 28 The later INTREPID 28, by Cape Dory, was based on this same design/tooling. Shoal draft: 3.75'/1.14m Photo courtesy Adam Hunt. catamaran gulet motorboat riverboat sailboat trimaran yacht