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Make & Model

SALTRAM Saga 40

MEASUREMENTS

Description.

Sagamore" is a Saltram Saga 40. She has been extensively sailed in the UK, France and the Mediterranean and has very recently returned from a long cruise to Italy and Sicily. She is in exceptionally good condition overall and has a wonderfully light and air y feel to her below decks. She would make an ideal long-distance cruising yacht for a couple and would provide a safe, seaworthy yacht together with a very homely environment in which to live.

• Perkins 4.108 4 cylinder 42hp diesel engine with indirect cooling and fitted with Hurth gearbox.
• Shaft drive and three bladed propeller.
• Fuel: Steel tank, glass fibre sheathed from new 100 gallons installed behind engine under cockpit sole. 60 litre plastic auxiliary tank.
• 3 x domestic, 110-amp hr each.
• 1 x engine start 110-amp hr.
• All batteries new June 2019.
• Battery charging: - Engine alternator. - Rutland 913 wind generator, mounted on goalpost aft. - Mains Battery Charger. - Marlec HRDX charge controller to all inputs. - Solar panel.
• Switch panel displays, digital volt and amp meters, ETA circuit breakers, running lights for both fridge and water pump.
• Shore power – connection in cockpit.
• Autohelm Sea Talk 50 (all repeated in cockpit) with: - Wind speed & direction. - Depth. - Log. - Compass.
• Icom DSC/VHF IC-M603.
• Icom portable VHF.
• Furuno GP32 GPS.
• Garmin handheld GPS.
• Garmin GPS 500, fixed.
• McMurdo NAV 6 Navtex Receiver.
• NASA - AIS Radar Receiver.

Sails, Spars and Rigging

• Bermudan Cutter Rig.
• Deck stepped silver anodised mast by John Powell, equipped with mast steps and rigged with 8mm Dyform wire and Norseman terminals.
• Booming out spar stowed at mast and main boom with slab reefing.

By McWilliams of Cowes in tan coloured terylene, All headsails hanked on.

• Mainsail 412 sq ft. with slab reefing.
• No 1 Yankee 364 sq ft.
• No 2 Yankee 243 sq ft.
• Staysail 125 sq ft.
• Stainless steel pulpit, pushpit, 29” stanchions and double guardwires with two gates.
• Stainless steel mast support rails.
• 2 x Lewmar 52 sheet winches - 2 speed self-tailing.
• 2 x Lewmar 30 halyard winches - 2 speed self-tailing.
• 1 x Lewmar single speed self-tailing winch for reefing
• Lofrans Tigres electric anchor windlass.
• 45lb CQR main anchor with 200ft of 3/8 inch chain. Plus - 45lb Bruce and 1 x 66lb Fisherman and 1 x 25lb Fisherman anchors.
• Ocean Aries wind vane self-steering.
• Deck wash pump. Tank Tender gauge for water and fuel.
• 5 x 4.5 kilo gas bottles carried in gas tight locker aft of cockpit.
• Stainless steel and teak boarding ladder.
• MOB line and harness.

Interior & Domestic

• Traditional yacht look and feel with extensive use of oak and mahogany and with white painted deck-head and varnished beams.
• Very good headroom throughout, maximum approximately 6’ 2”.
• Sagamore offers a 4-berth layout, the accommodation is arranged as follows: - Forward chain locker with access by two doors in forward cabin. - Forward cabin with large double berth offset to port with extensive stowage beneath.
• Separate Heads compartment to port with Lavac sea toilet, hand basin and shower. Large cupboard behind the toilet with further stowage under the hand basin. Shower and basin drain to grey water holding tank with electric pump.
• Hot and cold water.
• Opposite Heads to starboard, a large hanging locker / wardrobe.
• Bulkhead aft with doorway to saloon with L shaped berth/seat to port and berth /seating to starboard, both in excess of 6 feet long.
• Excellent large, folding wood saloon table in oak.
• Storage spaces under and behind bookshelves and cupboards above.
• Some stowage under saloon sole.
• Tasteful blue pattern cloth upholstery infair condition.
• Galley, aft to port, up two steps from saloon, equipped with electric fridge
• Force 10 stainless steel cooker with 4 burners, oven and grill
• Twin stainless-steel sinks with hot and cold water, work tops and stowage.
• Navigation area opposite to starboard running the full length aft.
• Large chart table holding full size admiralty charts.
• Two chart drawers capable of holding 500 charts.
• Companionway to cockpit with cockpit locker stowage.
• Fresh water: 2 x 75 gallon stainless steel tanks under galley sole. Plus 14-gallon hot water tank heated by engine calorifier or 240-volt immersion.
• Webasto diesel hot air heating with outlets in forward cabin and saloon
• Canvas work in beige acrylic material
• Spray hood (new 2018).
• Bimini which is fastened aft to stays.
• Henderson Mk 5 bilge pump.
• 2 x flat woven strap jackstays.
• Ring Lifebuoy.
• Horseshoe Lifebuoy with light.
• Oscar MOB Sling and line.
• Radar reflector.
• 3 x Fire extinguishers and Fire Blanket (may require servicing).

Miscellaneous

• Full inventory of spares, miscellaneous equipment.
• 2 person inflatable dinghy.

Owners comments

Over a 10-year period the present owner has cruised in Cornish waters, the French coast of Brittany and subsequently in Sicilian/Italian waters. A continuous program of maintenance and upgrading has been in place throughout the vessel’s history. As a result, Sagamore is in very good condition overall

Construction

• Hull built by Skentelbery & Sons, Plymouth.
• Heavily moulded, double-ended, GRP hull with white gelcoat and overpainted navy-blue sheer band.
• Aft, self-draining cockpit.
• Tiller steering with massively reinforced stainless tiller / rudder fittings.
• Oiled Teak capping rail.
• Teak trim in cockpit.
• Laid teak to cockpit seating and bridge deck.10mm teak facing over marine ply construction to main and forward doghouses with laid teak on top.
• The main doghouse (galley) with 9 port holes in bronze, 3 fixed and 6 opening.
• The forward doghouse with one opening (reversible) deck hatch plus additional Gebo deck hatches over the saloon.
• Heavily bonded structural floors and externally bolted iron ballast keel.
• Laminated deck beams with overlaid 18mm marine plywood deck being epoxy coated to the underside before painting with epoxy resin and "E" cloth sheathing externally being finished with a light grey, anti-slip deck paint.
• The interior is in Oak in the forward cabin and main saloon, with Mahogany joinery in the galley and navigation area.
• The sole boards throughout are of marine ply overlaid with 10mm thickness Teak. Before fitting out the interior, the hull was lined from the beam shelf to the waterline with 10mm Insulsheet, a closed cell rubber sheet material, with half hour fire resistant rating and 5% max moisture absorption. This has proven to prevent any condensation even in extreme cold.
• The underwater hull was treated with four coats of Blakes solvent free epoxy before launching.

Documentation

• Bill of Sale to current owner 2006
• HM Custom and Excise letter to say VAT exempt

The Company offers the details of this vessel in good faith but cannot guarantee or warrant the accuracy of this information nor warrant the condition of the vessel. A buyer should instruct his agents, or his surveyors, to investigate such details as the buyer desires validated. This vessel is offered subject to prior sale, price change, or withdrawal without notice.

Unless otherwise stated on the specification sheet the following presumptions are made Sail drive and shaft seals are more than 5 years of age Gas hoses and regulators are over 5 years old Standing rigging and sails are more than 10 years old

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ABOUT SALTRAM SAGA 40

The SALTRAM Saga 40 is 40 feet long and has a 12 feet beam. This 1988 diesel SALTRAM Saga 40 with 42 horsepower

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Basic specs..

The hull is made of fibreglass. Generally, a hull made of fibreglass requires only a minimum of maintenance during the sailing season.

The boat is equipped with 681.0 liter fresh water capacity.

The Saga 40 is equipped with a fin keel. The fin keel is the most common keel and provides splendid manoeuvrability. The downside is that it has less directional stability than a long keel.

The boat can only enter major marinas as the draft is about 1.98 - 2.08 meter (6.50 - 6.80 ft) dependent on the load. See immersion rate below.

Saga 40 is typically equipped with a Perkins diesel engine.

The fuel tank has a capacity of 545.0 liters (143 US gallons, 119 imperial gallons).

Sailing characteristics

This section covers widely used rules of thumb to describe the sailing characteristics. Please note that even though the calculations are correct, the interpretation of the results might not be valid for extreme boats.

What is Capsize Screening Formula (CSF)?

The capsize screening value for Saga 40 is 1.56, indicating that this boat could - if evaluated by this formula alone - be accepted to participate in ocean races.

What is Theoretical Maximum Hull Speed?

The theoretical maximal speed of a displacement boat of this length is 7.6 knots. The term "Theoretical Maximum Hull Speed" is widely used even though a boat can sail faster. The term shall be interpreted as above the theoretical speed a great additional power is necessary for a small gain in speed.

The immersion rate is defined as the weight required to sink the boat a certain level. The immersion rate for Saga 40 is about 242 kg/cm, alternatively 1357 lbs/inch. Meaning: if you load 242 kg cargo on the boat then it will sink 1 cm. Alternatively, if you load 1357 lbs cargo on the boat it will sink 1 inch.

Sailing statistics

This section is statistical comparison with similar boats of the same category. The basis of the following statistical computations is our unique database with more than 26,000 different boat types and 350,000 data points.

What is Motion Comfort Ratio (MCR)?

What is L/B (Length Beam Ratio)?

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What is Displacement Length Ratio?

SA/D (Sail Area Displacement ratio) Indicates how fast the boat is in light wind: - Cruising Boats have ratios 10-15 - Cruiser-Racers have ratios 16-20 - Racers have ratios above 20 - High-Performance Racers have ratios above 24 Sail-area/displacement ratio (SA/D ratio): 11.40

Maintenance

When buying anti-fouling bottom paint, it's nice to know how much to buy. The surface of the wet bottom is about 42m 2 (452 ft 2 ). Based on this, your favourite maritime shop can tell you the quantity you need.

If you need to renew parts of your running rig and is not quite sure of the dimensions, you may find the estimates computed below useful.

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The Saga 40 “Steppenwolf " is built by the famous yard Skentelbery and Sons in Plymouth England. She is completely factory finished to a very high standard as a long distance cruiser. Space, safety, ease of maintenance, seaworthy is just a few key words to describe her. The Saga 40 is famous for its sea kindness and dry cockpit in even the worst conditions.

General - SALTRAM SAGA 40

GRP sailing yacht Saltram Saga 40 " Steppenwolf ", built in 1994 by K.R. Skentelbery & Sons in Plymouth UK, building number KRSGB436387, designed by Allan Pape, dim.: 11,98 m x 3,75 m x 1,98 m, GRP hull, deck and superstructure, teak cockpit locker covers, white hull, hardened glass windows in aluminum framing together with Lewmar deck hatches, S-shaped hull, long keel, displacement approx: 13,5 tonnes, ballast approx: 5 tonnes (lead), fuel tank (stainless steel): approx. 270liters with fuel tank gauge, fresh water tanks (stainless steel): approx. 250 liters, 80 liters dirty water tank, tiller steering.

Accommodation

Floor in maple planks on plywood, locker doors are louvered in Mahogany. All panels are painted in with gloss finished Mahogany trim including the ceiling panels. Interior Lights are all in stainless steel ( Danish cabin lights), Force 10 cooker with 3 flames and oven. Reflex diesel cabin heater s/switch app. 50 liter, stainless steel 270 liter water tank with one electric and one manual pomp, water heater, heated by engine or by 220v with 50 liter boiler, galley with a fridge cabinet and a double sink, extra freezer cabinet in the aft locker, toilet with 70 liter holding tank, with possibility to pomp out and suck from the outside, hot and cold water shower. All manual Patey pumps are double diaphragm pumps, used in the holding tank, shower and bilge.

Perkins M60 diesel engine with 60 hp (44 kw), indirect cooling system, Hurth mechanical gearbox, propeller shaft stainless steel, fixed three bladed propeller, Patey manual bilge pump, electric bilge pump, electric circuit 12 volt DC and 220 Volt AC, 3 Sonnenschein 200ah heavy-duty batteries, and one 55ah engine battery heavy duty 75a alternator, shore power with earth leakage breaker, 70 Ah automatic battery charger, amp/hour gauge.

Autohelm ST50 wind and ST 50 tridata, ST 4000 Autohelm autopilot, Furuno 1721 Radar, Furuno GPS, VHF radio, Kenwood radio cd with USB access.

Maxwell HWC 1200 electric windlass , heavy duty 50 lbs Delta anchor with 60 meter 10 mm galvanized chain, 50lbs Bruce anchor, 28lbs Danforth anchor with 60 meter rope, sprayhood, boom cover, fire extinguishers, life lines on deck, fenders, Windpilot wind vane, Zodiac 260 dingy, 2,5 HP Evinrude outboard engine, Avon 4 persons liferaft (would needs service), engine spare parts

Cutter rig, Eurospar aluminum mast with single spreader, climbing steps to first spreader, mast length approx.: 13,5 m, 2011 Reckmann furling foresail system, Eurospar spinnaker pole stowed on the mast, Cyclops masthead radar reflector, standing rigging all 10mm, backstay 8mm, all with Norseman terminals, all halyards and reefing on the mast, fitted are three Harken winches. All sails are made by Ratsey & Lapthorn from Cowes, mainsail 10 Oz, staysail 8,5 Oz, yankee 8 Oz, glider 1,5 Oz, trysail 9 Oz, all are in good condition.

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Saltram Saga 40

This Saltram Saga 40 is one of the last built by Skentelbery and Sons in Plymouth England. The boat is perfect for long-distance cruising. Safety, space, easy to maintain are the right words to describe this boat. In recent years, the boat has been little used.

Saltram Saga 40 Built in 1994 by Skentelbery and Sons Ltd., United Kingdom Designed by Allan Pape CE category A GRP hull, superstructure and deck Dimensions 12.20 x 3.75 x 1.98 meter Mast height approx. 13.50 meters Displacement approx. 14.500 kg Ballast approx. 5.000 kgs

Accommodation

Classic teak interior Green skye upholstery in saloon 2 cabins and saloon TV Jabsco manual u.w. toilet Shower 4-5 berths Webasto heating Clock Barometer Hygrometer Galley with two burner Tayler 030 gas stove and oven 2x s.s. sink Isotherm fridge Electric water pressure system Boiler hot water system

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Motor, electric & water.

Volvo Penta MD22KL - 63 hp 4 cylinder 3-blade Gori propeller Indirect cooling system Mechanical gearbox Vetus bow thruster Approx. 750 ltrs. s.s. diesel tank 2x approx. 175 ltrs. fresh water tank 12v / 220v electrical system Start battery Service batteries Thruster batteries Battery charger Inverter Shore power with cable

2x Lewmar 30 ST 2x Lewmar 48 ST Boomvang needs to be replaced Main sail + cover Furling genoa (needs to be serviced) Cutter jib 2x Yankee Gennaker Storm jib Storm trysail 2x spi poole

Navigation & Electronic

2x Contest 130 compasses Autohelm ST50 echosounder Autohelm ST50 log Autohelm ST50 multi Autohelm ST4000 autopilot Raymarine navigation system Magellan meridian GPS (needs service) HF-150 receiver K41 navtex Sailer RT 2048 VHF Furuno 1721 radar Sailomat wind vane

Sprayhood Cockpit extension Sunpanel Fire blanket Fire extinguisher Manual bilge pump Electric bilge pump Manuel windlass Anchor with 30m chain Fender + lines Searchlight Underwatership stripped and newly built-up (2020) Antifouling (2020) Anodes (2020)

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• Boat REF#  ·  261764
• Length  ·  12.19m
• Year  ·  1985
• Construction  ·  GRP
• Underwater profile  ·  Long Keel
• Sleeping berths  ·  7
• Engine  ·  1 x diesel 55hp, Volvo D55 (2006)
• Lying  ·  Hamble

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Cutter rigged Aluminium spars () with Stainless Steel standing rigging (2006)

Electrical Systems

12 volt battery, 4 batteries charged by: engine, wind generator, solar panels, shore power

Construction

Accommodation

3 burner propane Stove

4 halyard winches 4 sheet winches Electric Lefrews Tigres windlass (with remote control) 3 anchors (Bruce,CQR,Fortress) 80.00m of chain 100.00m of rode windvane self-steering system (Inflatable)

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Safety Equipment

3 bilge pumps (2 manual / 1 electric)

Broker's Comments

This Saltram Saga 40 Cutter Rigged bluewater cruising yacht feels sturdy as you step on board. Indeed the current owners have sailed her successfully around the world and she is well kitted out to take you anywhere. She is fitted with a powerful 55 horse Volvo engine and has a full suite of sails including Cruising Chute and Tri-sail. She has a fantastic large saloon with a TV as well as two heads with showers in each. The galley is well fitted out with twin sinks, an icebox and a modern cooker and oven. The navigation area has again has well been kitted out with a computer-based chart plotter and other navigation equipment such as radar DSC VHF and GPS. Some of the cruising safety gear such as the life raft and EPIRB both require servicing. Other than that, she is a sturdy yacht ready to be used.These boat details are subject to contract. Note: Offers on the asking price may be considered.

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Saltram Saga 40 - Details

This Bermudan Cutter double ender was inspired by classic Colin Archer boats. She was designed by Alan Pape and built by Skentlebury and Son to Part A Lloyds specification at the Laira Boatyard in Plymouth. Fitted with furling main and genoa for ease of handling she is a serious blue water yacht ready to take you literally anywhere. The new Monitor wind vane self steering, is ideal for long offshore passages. The Yanmar diesel engine was new in 2006 and was professionally fitted, plus new prop, exhaust system, wiring and stern gear.

Accommodation:

Five berths in two cabins spacious dining area with stove. 6 ft plus headroom. Marine toilet and shower

A spacious galley with Storm 10 stove, refrigerator and ample stowage. Hot water.

Furling Genoa, Staysail, Yankee Storm trysail, Storm jib, Furling main plus selection of other sails

Instruments:

Furuno radar, Furuno GPs, navtex, Icom ICM 41VHF/dsc, depth sounder,

Electrical System:

3x 12v Batteries Adverc regulator

Seago life raft, tender and Tohatsu o/b Autohelm sp4000. New electric windlass. Best Replica Watches

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The hull has recently been anti fouled. British registered vessel, Vat paid. Boat photographed by Ian Crystal for Western Horizon Yachts in September 2008 Omega Seamaster Replica

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An all-new look and bulletproof hull distinguish this fast, versatile, but pricey cruiser.

Allan Poole was no stranger to boat-building when he founded Saga Yachts. In 1995, when he launched his “new-kid” company on the performance cruising block, he had already spent three decades developing, producing, and selling production sailboats. Poole, Saga’s owner and CEO, is a Scot who got his engineering training at Strathclyde University in Glasgow, and his jollies racing dinghies and IOR boats during the golden era of the grand-prix circuit.

Poole initially owned MG Yachts, Ltd., a firm in the U.K., which produced several Ton Cup champions. Then he sold off and emigrated to Canada, where he landed at CS Yachts in Brampton, Ontario. Poole later became director of marketing for Tartan Yachts and then president of Hinterhoeller.

In the mid-’90s, when boatbuilding was a survival exercise, Poole and three partners were brash enough to establish a new and different company of their own—Saga Yachts. The company grew out of Poole’s conviction that there was a significant and relatively under-served niche in the market.

”We started the company with a clean sheet of paper and a genuine lack of corporate dogmatism. We’re building primarily for the experienced cruising couple. Our boats emphasize performance and can be sailed to their maximum by two people. They can be (and have been) sailed virtually anywhere. Instead of the plethora of beds and heads that you find in today’s beamy boats (targeted primarily for the charter trade), we offer real cruising comfort for a family, plus room for their guests. Our boats are fast—very fast—yet they are seakindly, moderate-beam designs, easy to handle, and fun to sail. We build and outfit them very well.”

Poole’s vision was validated. His company grew to occupy a 20,000-plus sq. ft. facility in St. Catharines, Ontario, and has sold more than 70 boats so far. Looking more like an offshore racer than most cruisers, Saga’s debut boat, the 43, was launched in 1996 and has remained a mainstay. Designed by Bob Perry, the godfather of performance cruising, her plumb ends, low profile, and twin roller-furling headsails were a departure from rugged icons like the Valiant 40, and subsequent Valiants, Tayanas, Cheoy Lees, et.al., for which Perry is best-known. A 35 and a 48— both also by Perry—followed in the ensuing decade. The Sagas, Perry writes, “incorporate the lessons learned by watching substantive improvements in hull shape pioneered by the short-handed offshore racing fleets,” plus an exhaustive search for a rig configuration to best combine efficiency with versatility and convenience.

Design Given Perry’s stamp on the Saga family, we asked Poole about the choice of Tony Castro to design of the new 409.

“We wanted to add rather than imitate, and because we hoped to avoid competing with our own boats (all of which, even the 43, still have lots of life left), we went to a new designer. It was more than our long-standing friendship that brought me to Tony. His performance credentials are virtually unsurpassed. He’s won four world championships and the Admiral’s Cup under IOR, developed the new Laser sportboat, designed a world champion 6-Meter and the British America’s Cup contender Blue Arrow. And he has produced some spectacular projects (like the recent 32 meter performance cruiser executed for Jongert) that combine speed, comfort, and flair.

“With the 409, we were after a more ergonomic and contemporary feel,” said Poole. “In addition, Tony has a full-service office. We needed a designer to focus on performance, structure, and exterior style, but we also wanted to add to the boat’s appeal belowdecks. I felt that Tony could do that much better than we could.

“I use the metaphor of the Volvo cars,” Poole continued. “Volvos from the ’70s and ’80s were safe, efficient, durable and performed very well, but they were boxy. The contemporary Volvos are certainly just as solid and efficient. They just look better.”

Castro expanded that thought: “The challenge was to take the no-nonsense Saga and wrap it in a more-modern package. There’s always a tension between function and style. In the end, of course, you have to blend all of the elements into a seakindly and pleasing sailboat. What it boils down to is bringing what style and design you can to what features you can without ever letting style affect use.”

We must agree. From her tiger-eye portlights to her slightly-sprung sheer and saucy counter, the 409 is snappy, modern, and, well, almost sexy. It’s certainly not your grandfather’s performance cruiser.

We asked Castro what he did to assure that the Saga 409 would be as fast as she looks despite the fact that she is burdened with cruising tankage and the need to haul all of the impedimenta that cruisers normally bring with them.

“First you have to make sure that you don’t forget any of those cruising realities,” he explained. “You must calculate a realistic weight from the beginning or the boat won’t float on her lines. I still fight like hell to make sure that nothing is heavier than it has to be, but you know, no matter how you slice it, you’re dealing with considerable displacement. How you distribute the volume to carry that payload is your next decision. This boat has much less beam than most modern cruisers. That means, of necessity, that her ends are fuller. Back aft that helps clean up waterflow and adds stability, which are good things. In general, her low prismatic (relatively full-bellied with considerable rocker) hull form suits her well for light air when sailing is most enjoyable, at a small sacrifice in top-end potential where comfort is generally the greatest priority. I also think it’s always the case that deep, narrow boats have a better motion in a seaway than beamy boats with flat bottoms.

“Stability is like money,” Castro continued. “You can never have enough.”

The 409 has a ballast/displacement ratio—37 percent—at least the equal of all of her cruising competitors and carries that ballast in a modern bulb keel that’s hydrodynamically clean and lift-effective, which works to create a very low center of gravity. This boat relies less than most contemporary cruisers on beam for initial stability; that allows her to achieve ultimate stabilty “well in excess of 120 degrees” according to her designer. “A narrow boat is more easily-driven, more seakindly, more mannerly. If you have enough stability in your pocket you can get all of that.”

The 409’s sailplan is based on a simple, slightly-swept, three-spreader rig. It entails a good-sized main for all-round power, versatility, and maneuverability, married to a unique (trademarked as Variable Geometry Rig) iteration of the “twins” first developed for BOC and other offshore racing boats: On the aftermost headstay is a 110% working jib. It’s small enough to handle easily, high enough in aspect ratio to be efficient, with a clew cut high enough to offer adequate visibility. It’s definitely the sail to use upwind, in a breeze, and for kick-around daysailing. This headsail sheets inside the cap shrouds and thus offers tight sheeting angles for pointing. On a permanently mounted sprit forward is a Code Zero (the newly-developed ballooner that’s tough enough to go almost upwind, full enough to go well downwind, and big enough to virtually double your horsepower). A removable forestay that tacks to the mid-point of the foredeck—the ideal arrangement for storm conditions—completes the set-up.

Comparison with competing performance cruisers (J/42, Tartan 4100, and the Sabre 386 and 426) spotlights some numbers that speak very well for Castro’s achievement. The 409’s SA/D ratio (which we calculated to be 17.6) is better than all but the J/42 (18.3). Even figured using the industry standard 100% sail area and light ship displacement numbers as we did, however, we couldn’t come up with the same SA/D number of 20 advertised in some Saga literature. Certainly this measure of horsepower to mass is an inexact predictor of sailboat speed. Given the tendency of some builders to juggle the numbers (by calculating, for instance, both a staysail and an overlapping jib as part of the “100% foretriangle”) it’s not even always an accurate relative measure of performance capabilities. Still, the difference between the 409’s SA/D ratio and those of the other two boats is, we felt, significant.

Fuel and water are cruising necessities. Castro didn’t make his boat fast by cutting back on her tankage. Several of her competitors carry as much water as the 409’s 103 gallons, but no other boat in this group carries more fuel than she does (75 gallons).

A third significant number is mast height from the waterline. Why design yourself out of access to critical places like the Intracoastal Waterway for a few feet of mast? That’s why the 409’s designed clearance— 61′ 6″ in view of the ICW’s 65′ minimum height limit—makes sense.

Deck Layout In general, we liked the deck layout. While the step from the cockpit coaming to the side deck seemed awkwardly long, the combination of space and protection achieved here seems worth the occasional stumble. The boat’s broad hindquarters allowed Castro to center the cockpit between wide side decks. That facilitates both traffic flow and offshore protection. Seat backs are a minimum of 16 inches high, the cockpit seats are sleepable (over 6 feet long), and a rugged grab-bar/table-stand is in the right place for a handhold and foot brace. The twin wheels open up a myriad of sighting angles and steering positions. They also offer a clear walkway fore and aft right through to the gated, open-style transom. This creates a seamless traffic flow and the feeling of sufficient elbow room, both of which make the 409’s cockpit an achievement. Comfortable, padded corners and a house that’s low enough for even a five-footer to see over further contribute to making the 409 comfortable and efficient to steer.

Other cruising realities have been considered. Poole pointed out the fuel filter installed in the engine overflow vent-pipe. “You don’t want to inadvertently pump fuel overboard or have it slosh out when you’re heeled. The fines for polluting aren’t getting any smaller these days.” Equally thoughtful, we felt, was a dedicated locker for safety gear hard by the starboard steering station. “It’s big enough for a (tethered) life raft canister, a sizeable ditch bag, or emergency dock lines, and it puts them all where you can lay hands on them instantly.” The port cockpit locker is cavernous. We saw two motorbikes in the bottom. “Lockers can be too big,” admitted Poole, “but this one’s certainly big enough to let the owners organize and compartmentalize it on their own.”

Saga’s system for handling the dinghy shows similar forethought. It utilizes brackets on the transom swim platform. Hook the dink athwartships across the stern, attach the fall from a single davit, and hoist the inflatable (or even rigid dink) flush across the transom. Extra-high (30″) and extra-stout (1-1/4″ diameter rail) the aft pulpit and lifelines surrounding the cockpit continue the concern with security begun by the cockpit coamings. A uniform geometry between backstay, radar arch, and bimini supports indicates attention to the details of both style and function.

“I put in a lot of effort on the back end of the boat and the bimini in particular,” Castro explained. “Saga let me make it a part of the boat’s overall style. It’s not often that designers get that kind of opportunity.” We are perhaps more wedded to watching our sails than most modern sailors, so biminis always seem to cause isolation and claustrophobia. Despite some big flexible windows in the overhead, we had those feelings sailing the 409. Still, for living aboard and sailing anywhere the sun shines, having a bimini is advantageous. The 409’s twin steering stations partially resolve the problem of seeing the sails while underway because they offer numerous steering positions.

The deck hardware is primarily Harken. While would we like better access to the mainsheet from the helm than her mid-boom traveler affords—especially for shorthanded sailing—we applaud the webbed jacklines for safety harnesses that come as standard equipment, and we appreciate the hidden nicety of a chain locker divided for chain and rode A Muir 1250 electric anchor windlass with cockpit remote is standard. Halyards are led through cabintop “tunnels” to rope clutches on the house. Tails stow in bags. This relatively common arrangement is executed with precision; i.e. all of the leads are good and the stoppers work well under load. The mainsheet traveler is affixed atop the arch that supports the dodger. The arch is fabricated from thick aluminum which is bolted to the cabinhouse. The track itself is four feet in length, adequate to provide some depowering for the full-battened main.

Belowdecks Castro described the interior: “The design follows an established layout, prioritizing the owner’s cabin (in the bow), but having a good-sized guest cabin (aft) as well, all with above-average headroom. The styling is more modern than that usually seen on sailboats, but it incorporates all the required amenities and is ergonomically friendly with good storage and lots of wood.”

Wood is the primary medium by which Castro gave the 409 interior its feel and flair. The broadest surfaces are done in cherry. Lighter than teak, redder than oak, it’s unique and pleasant. Despite its relatively soft sheen and light color, however, it can become overwhelming. We sensed that up forward where there is a minimum light and contrast. In the saloon, where the lighter shades of the upholstery, house sides, and overhead brighten things up, the cherry bulkheads, furniture, trim, and cabinetry seem warm and appropriate.

“Some of it is pure styling. I’ve used the wood to create a feeling that the boat is chunky and well-built. The details are a delight in themselves. Moldings, hand rails, locker fronts, they all have a function, but they all are a part of an aesthetic. I’ve gone for softer corners, curved doors, bulkier trim.” We think Castro’s designer use of wood makes the 409 feel both shippy and contemporary.

We liked the U-shaped galley to port. Bigger than those on most 40-footers, it’s still centralized, organized, and in a good spot hard by the companionway. We wondered about the efficiency of a sidedoor-opening (as opposed to top-opening) refrigerator. Poole assured us that, “We religiously followed the instructions of the experts at Glacier Bay.” Still, it’s hard to discount the fact that cold air escapes fast from the bottom of a box. With full recognition that the efficiency of any system depends on design, precision, execution and insulating properties, we still wonder whether home-style reefers that open from the side are ultimately as efficient as top-opening boxes.

Some 40-footers have raised saloons. Aboard the 409, however, you are sitting in the boat rather than up high with a spectacular view of the outside. There are no hull ports. Still, interior space is light and open. Good light comes from the large windows and an overhead “windscreen.” The view is unobstructed fore and aft, offering an airy feel. Though hatches and dorades should make for reasonable airflow at anchor, the boat also has air-conditioning. Yet one area where we feel style dominates function is in the absence of opening ports for cross-ventilating the saloon. The small-sized hatches overhead here hardly seem like they’ll promote sufficient natural airflow in warmer climes.

Castro spent a lot of time on the folding table, and it worked out. It’s more solid and less awkward than most such applications. Seat-back stowage is generous, and a wide shelf outboard the settees is good, if not ample. The bilge sump, at 28 inches, is deeper than most found aboard even bigger boats. The electrical system is all tin-wired, clearly labeled, and accessible via a panel that takes just four screws to loosen. The clear, radiused shower door is clever, stylish, and substantial. For a boat with a single head, however, we felt the lack of elbow room in the w.c. was a negative. We generally favor owner’s cabins that are located closer to the steering and nav stations, but this one near the bow is replete with hanger and drawer space sufficient to the task and sports a vanity that deserves to be termed elegant. Unlike the saloon, the after cabin has more than enough ventilation with an overhead hatch and ports in either bulkhead.

Construction The 409 is the first boat to be built using a new hull laminate that tests (conducted by Maritime Technical Services, Ltd., Southampton, UK) show to be twice as strong as conventional glass/epoxy lay-ups. “When I say ‘strong,’ I’m talking about impact resistance,” Poole explained. “Do you know how many containers fall off ships? No one knows for sure, but it’s more than we’re comfortable with. We want a Saga to be able to withstand collisions with that sort of sharp, puncturing object. Like they found out with Titanic, watertight bulkheads aren’t the complete answer.

“We embarked on this over three years ago. We talked to expert builders like Barry Carroll,” Poole added, “and collaborated with DuPont (for a glass-kevlar hybrid cloth), JB Martin, Ltd. (Quebec) for an improved vinylester resin compatible with it, and MTS in Southampton for testing. We’ve achieved a skin that is three times stronger than aluminum.”

The 409 is balsa-cored (hull and deck) with a solid (1-3/4″) glass bottom. The laminate is tailored to address localized loads and laid by hand. “To work with Kevlar,” Poole said, “you need a compatible resin.” The company offers a 10-year warranty against osmotic blistering. Both structural bulkheads and furniture components are structurally bonded to the hull and deck. This boat is quiet under sail, but we found weather stripping used to tighten the fit of the floorboards. “With the amount that wood swells,” explained Poole, “we’ve had to do that to keep the boards from swelling shut.” Given the impermanence of the solution and the messiness of the fix, we thought Saga should find a better way to outwit Mother Nature.

The sub-floor framing structure, designed to anchor the rig, utilizes bi-directional E-glass reinforcements. The hull-deck joint is a flange bonded with 3M’s 5200 and through-bolted on 4″ centers. The slotted aluminum toerail encapsulates a full-length PVC rubrail, and is likewise through-bolted. The solid bottom portion of the hull is 18″ deep and made of six layers of 2408 matt.

The rudder is all carbon fiber, making it light and strong.

We found the building practices at Saga very similar to those at other top-shelf shops, and we commend the company for developing this new, safer laminate.

Performance Making 6.9 knots in 8 knots of true wind convinced us that there were good grounds for considering the 409 a speedy boat. The secret was the Code Zero. It proved the difference between ghosting and charging when we set it and rounded onto a close reach on the flat water of Biscayne Bay. Her convenient rig and clean, balanced hull seemed ideal for the big balloon jib. All of this hammered home Poole’s claim that the 409 was meant to make sailing “more fun more of the time.”

It was hard to tell in light air, but the tight sheeting angles for the jib and the high-lift potential of the keel should make the 409 quick upwind. Despite the light air, we tacked through just over 90 degrees. Additionally, the 409 is fun to drive. Castro said that he modified a deep, high-aspect ratio, NACA section foil by adjusting both leading and trailing edge to lighten the feel and increase effective control.

From what we could tell in Biscayne Bay, Castro’s modifications work. The 409’s Westerbeke 55B is self-bleeding and develops 55 horsepower at 3000 rpm. A two-bladed fixed prop is standard, but a boat with the capabilities of the 409 seems to cry out for the optional feathering three-blade that Saga does offer. She powered quite easily to her 8-knot hullspeed on our trial sail with 500 to 600 rpm left in reserve. There was, however, considerable engine noise. Checking it out, we obtained readings of 80 db (in the forecabin), 96 (saloon), 98 (aft cabin) and 88 (cockpit) while running at 2500 rpm. That’s hardly excessive, but louder than you’d expect in a premium-quality boat.

Conclusions With the 409, Allen Poole, Tony Castro, and the people of Saga Yachts have done a lot to resolve the time-honored comfort vs. speed dilemma. Builder and designer have drawn heavily on remarkable banks of experience to create a boat that delivers much of what cruising sailors are seeking. Without being radically or offensively new, the 409 is a bundle of fresh solutions, valuable developments, praiseworthy evolutions, and common sense ideas. At a base price of $329,000, she’s one of the highest priced boat in her class. And this boat isn’t perfect, especially in the areas of zero-tolerance joinery and soundproofing. Still, it strikes us that her combination of top-drawer performance, full-bore cruising efficiency, and head-turning style, makes her not only unique, but a good value as well.

Contact – Saga Marine, 905/646-4040, www.sagayachts.com .

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40′ Saga – Black Swan

• Name: BLACK SWAN
• Model: 4092
• Length: 40 feet
• Engine Brand: Yanmar
• Located In: San Francisco, CA

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One of only 15 Saga 409’s built,  the only one available on the West Coast The Hull was molded in 2007 but the yacht was not completed and commissioned until 2009. So components and systems are less than 10 years old.

Equipped with top of the line cruising features including electric main winch, windlass with a chain counter, Technautics fridge and feezer, simrad electrical autopilot with remote, Sony flat screen TV and DVD player, Swim platform  with retractable ladder, walk through transom, Hand held hot and cold shower outside. Hydraulic back stay tensioner, extensive spare parts.

Professionally maintained by the original owner since new with complete constructions and maintenance records. The only Saga 409 to have a heavy duty foam and carbon fiber keel and post designed by Jim Antrim a well known naval architect in San Francisco and installed by KKMI.

Unique to this boat is also an engineered and designed cabon fiber arch reinforced from its original fiberglass arch. The traveler is attached to the top of the arch which can exert tremendous forces to the arch, The dodger is attached to the arch.

• LOA: 40 ft 9 in
• Beam: 12 ft 6 in
• Displacement: 18500 lb
• Ballast: 7300 lb
• LWL: 36 ft 0 in
• Maximum Draft: 5 ft 11 in
• Sail Area: 807 sq ft
• Engine Type: Inboard
• Engine/Fuel Type: Diesel
• Engine Model: 4JH4E
• Drive Type: Direct Drive
• Fresh Water Tanks: 220 gallon
• Fuel Tanks: 74 gallon
• Holding Tanks: 30 gallon

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• Number of heads: 1
• Number of single berths: 6
• Number of cabins: 2
• Seating Capacity: 6

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From What I have seen and heard, The Saga 409 is the boat of boats in many respects. I know it is a new boat and not many around at this time. I was looking at a Tartan 4100 too. The Saga seems to be a little more unique, a "finer" and more exclusive boat for lack of better words with tremendous blue water potential. There does not seem to be a whole lot of discussion on here regarding Saga Yachts which is puzzling to me. Are there any Saga owners or dealers on here who might contribute information on their experiences with the boat? Is it as great a boat as it seems to be? Is it to far out there in terms of price and quality to be talked about in generic sailing discussion groups?? Anyway, I am looking for a new live aboard (2 of us) come summer of 05'' and this boat just seems to be it (for me) from what I have seen and learned so far. There are no dealers advertised in the Annapolis or New York areas and Yacht World turns up a blank on new Saga Boats. Does anyone know of an individual or dealer who has Saga Yachts that one could climb around on? Does anyone know what the price of a Saga 409 in US dollars is? Thanks. . . Chris T.  

Saga 409 is a comparatively new model so it is hard to comment upon in any real detailed way. At best I can give a few first quick impressions. Looking at the numbers, it is a comparatively heavy boat with a minimal ballast ratio, not much water tankage but a lot of fuel, and a whole lot of windage and weight aloft which is not too great when coupled with a limit of positive stability of only 120 degrees. The interior layout is one that is well suited to coastal cruising but is less than ideal for offshore work given the large deck areas and minimal storage. While the styling of this boat is very jazzy, the 409 appears to lack the level of ventilation that is necessary for warm weather cruising. The deck layout and rig are not really too great for offshore as well. The huge cockpit, and large plexiglass areas, absense of a bridge deck make for a boat that would be prone to downflooding. The mainsheet located on a forward arch neither gives the ease of control, low friction and minimal loadings of in cockpit boom end sheeting nor the simplicity of midboom sheeting. The rig is really a strange set up lacking the ability of a more traditional cutter to fly a staysail, and lacking a fractional rig sloop''s ability to quickly depower. With all due respect, I would be interested in your thoughts on why you think that this is a boat with "tremendous blue water potential". The last that I heard these boats are available through Caan Yachts in Annapolis. http://www.cannyachts.com/cannyachts/cannyachts_2.html Respectfully, Jeff  

Jeff_H : Interesting comment regarding the Saga 409. I was impressed with this boat at the Newport show. Have you been aboard? They did a real nice job. The fit and finish is top flight to say the least. I currently live aboard and have logged just a few blue water trips including CA to Maui and return. Other boat designs I like include the Elan and the Tartan 4100. What are your thoughts on the Elan 40 and the Elan Impression series? How would you compare the Elan product to the Saga product? Does Tartan fit into this picture somewhere? Appreciate your comments.. Thanks much Tom K.  

Thank you for your response Jeff and Tom.. Hope to get additional feedback.. Jeff,the boat does offer good storage capacity and is not bad on the Tankage. No boat offers the very best of everything. To answer your question, here are the numbers on the Saga 409 which I think make it a very competitive (not in terms of racing) boat. The Displacement to LWL is 189. This is looking pretty darn good to me.. The Hull speed should be just over 8 knots.. I''ll take it.. The sail area to displacement ratio is 17.64 Again; I''ll take it any day. The LWL to Beam is 2.86. Really, no major problem here at all. Although I don''t like to use a motion comfort index and believe there are just to many variables to give this factor a realistic relevance, the industry text books say on this boat that a motion comfort of just on the south side of 30 is not bad at all. Moving right along, the capsize ratio is considered good at 1.86. The Boat has a high ballast ratio which really should give the boat plenty of stability. In addition, with a angle of positive stability beyond 120 degrees, the boat should have a very high righting moment. The very positive construction features go on and on. And so could I regarding this boat. Yes, I like it and have spent time studying the design and construction specification. I have owned a Cal, a C&C and a Catalina. I am really looking for on here is some real world information from Saga owners or a dealer who has had experience with the Saga boat and company in general, as you could review and discuss numbers for ever. Thanks again, Chris_T  

That''s a hell of a capsize ratio! Is this for saga 409? That''s better than Island Packet 40. Also better hull speed, SA-D and almost identical motion comfort (I considered this impossible for a fin keel to achieve relative to a modified, full keel). Moreover, the capsize ratio is almost identical to Cape Dory 40! And the CD''s motion comfort is only slightly better than Saga''s. VERY impressive. If this is the Saga, sign me up for one. Just make sure they build it w/ dorades and lots of opening, stainless steel ports! John  

This sounds to me like Jeff and Chris are describing two different boats. Chris, in this day of email, SSB Nets, electronics, navigation ''flight planning'' and other such activities, the 409''s chart table strikes me as too small for a 40 footer, the corner into which its squeezed too stuffy, and the space available for radios, electronics and such to be too limited. I mention this because I''ve been amazed at how important that area is on a boat intended to be cruised. Jack  

You might try the Saga Owners list on this site - http://www.sagaowners.com/index2.cfm Another source is Mike Locatell at Discovery Yachts in Seattle, a former Saga dealer who sold a number of 43''s. He might be willing to share why he stopped carrying them. Having raced and cruised on a friend''s Saga 43, I''d take it any day over an IP.  

Hi Jack... I more or less agree with you. I have a 35'' boat now with a small navigation table that really never gets used. The days of large plotting chart tables are over for the most part. A few manufacturers still utilize a larger set up within their designs. The Navigation station in it''s entirety on the Saga 409 however is quite accommodating... Not the Nav table itself, but flush mount space for equipment such as VHF, SSB, repeaters, Laptop, satellite radio, stereo, weather station, and so forth. Not only is there room for all this at the Nav station, but it is all so easily accessible should one ever need to go behind the panels for any reason. I strongly believe in cutting edge technology, system redundancy and the power of a PC integrated into the navigation system. It is just amazing what happens after it is all said and done. I have equipped a couple of boats like this (C&C) and not only are the owners more than happy, there is a foundation of safety which is un-compromised. It is important to note that at no time should electronic equipment replace paper charts and appropiate manuals as they should always be kept onboard. The captain and crew should be very familiar with the geographic areas and routes in which they are operating. Tom K.  

Columnist has said: "That''s a hell of a capsize ratio! Is this for saga 409? That''s better than Island Packet 40". Refering to Chris T. statements on the Saga new boat: "...the capsize ratio is considered good at 1.86. "The Boat has a high ballast ratio which really should give the boat plenty of stability. In addition, with a angle of positive stability beyond 120 degrees, the boat should have a very high righting moment". Those are misleading arguments. You can simply not assess a boat stability with old formulas like capsize ratio or ballast ratio. Besides, a boat can have a very high righting moment and be inadequate as an ocean going boat. You can not confuse initial stability (stiffness) and final stability (safety stability). A boat can have (as a lot of the racing boats have) very good initial stability and poor final stability. I would say that the Saga has a better initial stability and the Island Packet has a much better final stability (safety satbility). I give you one example of the inadequacy of the ballast ratio as a means to assess stability : The Saga 409 has a 37% 0f ballast ratio. The Regina 38 (a Sweedish ocean going DS sailboat) has only 32%, having apparently the worst stability of the two . The Saga (according to Jeff_H) has only an AVS of 120º and the Regina has a much better AVS of 134º. The Regina has also a very impressive STIX number of 46. I don''t know the Stix number for the Saga, but I bet that it is a lot smaller. Paulo  

Chris T., about informaton on the Elan 40 and Elan Impression 43 I suggest a download of both boat tests at http://www.yacht.de/yo/powerslave,id,10,nodeid,10,ps_lo,.html that''ts the site from the biggest and in my opinion better Europe sail magazine. It''s in German, but you can use an Automatic translator (fron Google, for instance). Normally they publish graphically the complete stability curve of the boat, and that, if you know how to read it, says a lot, specially when combined with information on the speed of the boat in several points of sail (given also graphically ). There you can also download several other boat tests, regarding boats that are close to the ones you are looking for, like the Wauquiez Centurion 40, the Confortina 42, the Dehler 39 and 41, the Dufour 40, the Grand soleil 40, the Hanse 41, the Malo 39 and the C-yacht 11.30. Each download costs 1,5 Euros and are in PDF format, with lots of photos, drawings and graphics. First you have to fill and send the "Click and Buy" file, and then it is easy. Hope to be of help Paulo  

I saw the 409 here at the fall show and was quite taken with it. the design is superb. I made inquiries about the yard and had my attorney do a little due dilligence. Saga it seems is a house of cards. The yard is in hawk up to it''s eyeballs, with much owing to it''s own lawyers who sometimes charge them 15% interest. The salesman was complaining that boats were''nt moving on the floor. Darryl said the 48 on the floor has been there over a year when it should have taken 13 - 14 weeks. The other boats are sitting on the floor with no cash available to finish them. The brave few who have ordered new 409''s will see the old boats now go out the door with the help of the cash from their deposits and after they have paid for their boats will have to wait for new deposits so that money can be used to finish their boats. Sound like the dying days of a boatyard. The crew has been kept on for appearances but two months of wages with no production can never be recovered. The boat at the show it turns out actually belongs to the owner Allan Poole who is keeping it out of the country. Poole has already blown off a bank, many suppliers and a few "partners" in the first Saga bankruptcy years ago. Buyer beware!  

F/Y/I Reg, I wonder what prompted your need to publish this obituary of Saga Marine on the web? I will assume that your motives were to genuinely warn someone and not to spread half truths with the intent of damaging a small struggling (as are many small boat builders in these hard times) boat builder like Saga. I would like to give a professionals view of your info. First off, though recently retired, I spent 7 years representing Saga as one of my lines. I have also represented Catalina, Tartan, Jeanneau and Bavaria. Being in the industry I have spent time and am familiar with a good number of other large and small sailboat builders and their operating methods. Allan and I have certainly had our differences during my time representing him but I have also seen the effort he and his crew expends to deliver a quality product. Having purchased a 43 in 2000 and put over 11,000 miles on it, most offshore, I feel qualified to attest to the quality of that product. Relative to his former financial difficulty that resulted in a restructuring I would only ask you to examine the difficulties of starting a boat building operation from scratch and evaulating the risk involved. If you go back a few extra years you will find that both Tartan and Sabre have similar problems in their background. Thatshouldn''t take away from their current ability to provide a quality product at a fair price. Relative to Allan owning hull #1 of the 409, I know for a fact he has been desiring to own one of his fine products for a long time. He didn''t keep that fact secret at the shows. He was proud of his ownership as well he should be. What better faith has someone in his product than to put his family aboard and travel portions of the Atlantic Ocean? Relative to his keeping the crew on for appearances I don''t think that ludicrous comment is worthy of a response. If you check the December issue of Sail magazine you will see mention of a friend and customer of mine being first to finish in the ARC Europe rally from Bermuda to the Azores in his Saga 43. These are fast well built cruising boats that Allan and company are building. I have yet to talk to an Owner of one of the almost 70 boats Saga has produced who felt he hadn''t gotten true value in the vessel he purchased. On the other hand I do feel that any person plunking large amounts of money down on any boat should protect themselves as best they can from any unforeseen circumstances. Having said that, it would be a shame if someone was to take your statment literally and deny themselves the satisfaction of sailing their Saga past its competitors. Wishing you good luck in your in your boating selection. Keith Reynolds, S/V CAMELOT  

F/Y/I/ (From Saga Mail list... ) Dear Reg, I''m glad you liked our new Saga 409, but am appalled by the blatant attempt of this email to do Saga Marine harm. I have built up the company over the last ten years, and provide a high quality boat that has brought many people great pleasure. This email of yours seems deliberately organized to defame the company and hurt everyone here at Saga. It misquotes employees who have nothing to gain or loose, and the entire content is misleading. Generally, it is competing brokers who make statements like this, to steer prospective Saga customers into the products they represent. It does appear that Saga''s new product is so well received in the marketplace that it is threatening other boat companies and their brokers. Over the last two years many industries, not only boat builders, have suffered because of the failing U.S. economy. Whereas we have had a difficult two years, we have managed to bring out two brand new excellent products, both of which have been recognized by our peers. Anyone wishing to buy one of our new products can do so and keep their money entirely safe. Anyone having any concerns can speak to me personally. The reference made to the first Saga bankruptcy is a cheap shot. This was a reorganization of the company in agreement with the bank, the suppliers, and the partners, and was reported in "Practical Sailor" magazine. With regard to our current financing, do you think our lawyers would be lending us money if they thought they were at risk? The yard is not "in hawk up to its eyeballs" as you suggest. As far as my owning a Saga product, I have not hidden this fact. My wife and I own Saga 409 Hull#1. We bought it from the company, and it''s quite common practice for a boat company owner to sail their own boat. With the short summers and limited sailing in Lake Ontario, as well as the tax advantages of sailing out of country, we made the decision to take our boat down South. The boat has sailed over 2000 miles since leaving the factory in September, attending the two east coast boat shows, and it will be on display at the Miami "Strictly Sail" Boat Show in February. Once again, I would like to reiterate that we at Saga build fine yachts and our customers'' money is secure. We have a great reputation with our customers. Sincerely, Allan Poole President SAGA MARINE  

Dear Reg I am the proud owner of a recently built saga 35 hull #11 All boat builders need to function under the stress of producing the product at the right price: meeting needs of the customer, suppliers and staff. The factory is always open for you to view, the workers are skilled, available and willing to give you time. As for the boat, my expectations have been meet. I have owned four boats and visited many builders. The Saga is built with attention to detail, details that only an experienced builder can add to its production proccess. My Saga has features which are just not available on other production boats. In short I am now the proud owner of a custom boat which could only be replaced by Saga Yachts. Alan does not need to justify himself or his factory. Go see for yourself, you will be impressed.  

Bluesmoods/Keith, I certainly agree with a lot of the good things said about Saga, and know from firsthand knowledge of their quality and design -- even the standard equipment list is impressive (a neighbor owned a Saga 43 for several years). I''m looking forward to seeing the 409 (maybe at the Philly Boat Show?) I''m glad that you posted Alan''s response (but wish that he''d done it directly), since Reg obviously needed his "hand slapped" in public. I don''t believe that he could defend some of his non-substantiated comments by a desire to save a fellow sailor grief. Anyone who makes accusations/comments like his (e.g., the Ponzi Scheme method of using new boat deposits to finance the finishing of existing orders, as well as hyperbole such as "house of cards" and "in hock up to its eyeballs" (which had an almost gleefully-vindictive tone) should have supporting information (of course, he can blame it all on an over-zealous attorney). It''s also curious that he hasn''t responded to Alan''s reply that was posted three weeks ago. C''mon, Reg, if there''s things that we should know, tell us -- but substantiate them (and if you were mistaken or overzealous, you own Alan an apology). As for Alan''s owning a Saga -- I''d be surprised if he owned anything else, and it is testimony in his faith in his own product.  

Proof that Saga Yachts is a sham It's easy for Allan to own a Saga when he does it with other people's money, as he's always done. http://saga409.blogspot.com/  

Reg...that was a two year old post in case you didn't notice. As a matter of fact YOUR last post was here on this thread two years ago. Do you just show up to slam Saga?? Saga is now being produced by PSC and hopefully that will resolve the financial issues since it is really a fine boat. Welcome back...hope you have more to add to the forum.  

Most boat builders do experience financial difficulties at some point in their lifespan, even the most successful ones... Two posts over two years, both slamming saga seems to indicate that Reg has an axe to grind with them, and Sailnet is really not an appropriate forum for personal vendettas IMHO.  

saga 409 our previous boat was a 2002 tartan 3500 which we thoroughly enjoyed. We have looked, with open eyes at the larger boats over the years including the various Saga at the Annapolis show. If it were not for the narrow beam I would opt for the Saga 43 which I believe is a much better sailing and live aboard boat than the 409. For us, the 409 appeared more of a production boat and not as well made as the 43. Crusader yachts in Annapolis now sells the brand. If you have the extra money you might want to consider the Outbound 44 which has caught our eye so to speak. Excellent boat. David  

David...I think this thread is dead. Be advised that SAGA is owned by Pacific Seacraft which recently filed for bankruptcy. Buyer beware at the moment!  

"Stability is like money," Castro continued. "You can never have enough." The 409 has a ballast/displacement ratio—37 percent—at least the equal of all of her cruising competitors and carries that ballast in a modern bulb keel that's hydrodynamically clean and lift-effective, which works to create a very low center of gravity. This boat relies less than most contemporary cruisers on beam for initial stability; that allows her to achieve ultimate stabilty "well in excess of 120 degrees" according to her designer. "A narrow boat is more easily-driven, more seakindly, more mannerly. If you have enough stability in your pocket you can get all of that." Interesting comments that tend to fly in the face of some other comments listed here. Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmm."  

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A meteor soared over the Statue of Liberty before disintegrating about 30 miles above Midtown Manhattan on Tuesday morning, according to NASA.

The space rock passed through the atmosphere over the Big Apple around 11:15 a.m. — the same time New Yorkers reported seeing a flash of fire streak across the sky and felt the ground lightly shaking beneath their feet.

Twenty people across New York, New Jersey and Connecticut reported seeing the fireball stretch across the sky — with one person saying the shooting star looked green, yellow and white.

The speeding spectacle lasted about 30 seconds before fragmenting into three pieces, the eyewitness wrote to the American Meteor Society.

NASA’s Meteor Watch estimates that the “daylight fireball” was first spotted about 40 miles above New York Harbor’s Upper Bay, where Lady Liberty stands.

Moving at a rate of 34,000 miles per hour, “the meteor descended at a steep angle of just 18 degrees from vertical, passing over the Statue of Liberty before disintegrating 29 miles above midtown Manhattan,” NASA wrote in a Facebook post.

No meteorites — or debris from outer space that hits the Earth’s surface — were produced by the event.

And fortunately, there were no reports of damage or injuries related to the event, the city’s Office of Emergency Management confirmed.

As for the reported shaking, experts do not believe it had any ties to the meteor or any other natural event.

The US Geological Survey National Earthquake Information Center confirmed it received reports of shaking in the northeast New Jersey and Staten Island area, but eliminated the possibility that an earthquake struck.

“An examination of the seismic data in the area showed no evidence of an earthquake,” the agency said in a statement.

“The USGS has no direct evidence of the source of the shaking. Past reports of shaking with no associated seismic signal have had atmospheric origins such as sonic booms or weather-related phenomena.”

NASA suspects the shaking was tied to reports of military activity in the area.

The shooting star sighting comes as the Big Apple withstood scorching temperatures Tuesday.

The mercury reached 100 degrees — but felt more like 110.

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Yellowstone  star Kevin Costner will return to the Western genre with his film series  Horizon: An American Saga ,  the first part of which is set to arrive in theaters June 28. The first film in a planned four-arc installment premiered at the 2024 Cannes Film Festival to an 11-minute 40-second standing ovation , which brought the actor to tears.

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Read on for everything we know about Kevin Costner’s  Horizon: An American Saga :

What is  Horizon: An American Saga  about?

The Western films will chronicle the expansion of the American West before and after the Civil War. Perspectives of colonizers and Native Americans — especially in the fourth film — will intertwine to tell the complex history. Spanning 15 years following the end of one of America’s defining conflicts, it traces the tension of another — Manifest Destiny and Native Americans.

How many films make up  Horizon: An American Saga ?

The cast has largely been exposed to four scripts for four different feature-length chapters of the project. The first two films have received theatrical release dates via New Line and Warner Bros. The films following  Chapter 1  are not considered sequels, but separate installments that tell the full story. 

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How long is  Horizon: An American Saga Chapter 1 ?

The first film clocks in at three hours.

When does  Horizon: An American Saga Chapter 1  come out?

The first film arrived in theaters on June 28. It will become available to watch on digital. on July 16.

Who is in  Horizon: An American Saga ?

Giovanni Ribisi, Glynn Turman, Tom Payne, Kathleen Quinlan, Angus MacFayden and countless others also pop in and out of the first film. There are more than 170 speaking roles.

Costner’s son Hayes also appears in the film, and his namesake is a character in the story — Hayes Ellison.

When does  Horizon: An American Saga Chapter 2  come out?

The second film was slated to hit theaters August 16, but after the performance of Chapter 1 at the box office, Chapter 2 was pulled from Warner Bros. slate for August.

Given the target audience of the film, WB wanted to give them time to go to the movies to see the first installment before releasing the second one.

When will  Horizon: An American Saga  Chapters 3 and 4 come out?

Costner told Deadline that he has already shot three days of Part 3. He hopes to return to Cannes with the third chapter.

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How much has this project cost?

Costner revealed to Deadline that he’s projected to pay $98 million himself for the first three films in the series. Financing the fourth will make it $100 million. At Cannes he spoke about  sacrificing his four homes  that he owns to make the Western movies.

“I’m trying to make the third one. I knocked on every boat in Cannes to help me,” he said. “The guys say, ‘C’mon, we’ll get a picture.’ I said. ‘No, get your checkbook out.’“

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