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Just curious, but you could get a fairly fully equipped bluewater capable boat, like a contessa or Southern Cross 28/31 for what it would cost you to build that, and have a boat in far less time, that you could be sailing, testing, outfitting, and getting to know instead of building. Building that boat, even if it were as seaworthy as some of the other boats I've mentioned, is probably going to cost far more, since you're paying NEW BOAT prices for the equipment you'll need to equip it, without the economies of scale that CE Ryder and the other builders had. Also, you will be taking the depreciation hit on the materials and equipment, which won't be the case with buying something like a used Southern Cross 28.  

I wasn't even thinking about building but after seeing how much people spend on refitting plus the cost of the boat itself, it might be an option. It would cost $11-12,000 to build the hull complete with paint. This includes all plywood, other materials, epoxy, fiberglass, fairing, primer, paint and lead for keel. Other major items are OB, spars/sails, deck hardware, anchors/tackle, electronics, wind vane, head, solar setup, cushions, safety items (raft etc..) and all rigging. I don't know what total cost would be, I have only cost out the hull so far. Many of these items I would be paying for anyway during a refit or having to buy regardless since most likely any used boat I buy won't have them. No matter what I do (build or buy), I am going to go very minimal. Minimal electronics, single burner only for kitchen etc....... No big cruiser items like ice maker, AC, extensive electronics etc....I would buy used and deals, new when needed. I am going to put together an estimate for both scenarios. It is on the in the near future to do list. Plus I personally see value in completing the trip with a boat I built myself, so that counts for something.  

• Inboard Diesel engine
• Deck hardware, in many cases already rigged for single-handing
• Anchor and ground tackle
• Head, holding tank, plumbing
• safety gear, often including PFDs, Flares, Air Horn, etc.

I am definitely taking it all into consideration and not making any rash decisions. Any input on the VG26 and how it would compare to a full keel, long overhang, small beam boat?  

I would say that SailingDog has basically hit the nail on the head. As a broad generality, the materials to complete the hull and deck of a sailboat is roughly 20% of its overall cost. In your $11-12,000 description you are also including the keel which typically is typically not in that 20% number and your labor, which in broad general senbse puts you at roughly 40% of the cost of the boat. The issues that I would have with the Vagabond 26 has little to do with its keel and rudder type or its overhangs. My main gripe would be with its hull form and interior layout. The Vagabond 26's hull form appears to be generated to make it easy to construct in sheet plywood rather than to produce a boat which offers a comfortable motion, or seaworthiness, (or decent performance for that matter). Similarly the interior layout makes sense for a family weekender, but not for a long distance offshore single-handed cruiser. I personally have no problem with trying to do a circumnavigation in a small, modern design, but ideally the design needs to evolve from its purpose (long distance, offshore cruising) and not from the materials which seem easiest to work with, or from what is available on the market. As SD suggests, there are designs which are well suited to the purpose of being a dedicated distance cruiser. I would think that the Southern Cross 28 or 31 that SD mentions would to fit bill as would the Contessa 26, albeit a lot more Spartanly. I am not a big fan of Cape Dories. I know that they have done reasonably well as cruisers some folks but personally I have never been all that impressed with their design or build quality. Other choices if you want to go full keel and traditional are some of the other folkboat derivatives, or H-28 derivatives. In a general sense, there are a number of suitable existing boat designs out there that are adaptable for your purposes. If you are handy and think you would enjoy the project then picking up one used and rebuilding is not a bad way to go. If you chose to build a boat for the purpose, then there are better designs out there than the Vagabond. Respectfully, Jeff  

Jeff_H said: The issues that I would have with the Vagabond 26 has little to do with its keel and rudder type or its overhangs. My main gripe would be with its hull form and interior layout. The Vagabond 26's hull form appears to be generated to make it easy to construct in sheet plywood rather than to produce a boat which offers a comfortable motion, or seaworthiness, (or decent performance for that matter). Similarly the interior layout makes sense for a family weekender, but not for a long distance offshore single-handed cruiser. Click to expand...

I agree with what dog and Jeff posted. Keep in mind that what works well racing or hopping the gulf stream will not necessarily work well loaded with the gear and supplies needed for a longer passage - say 2000 lbs+. As far as build vs buy there will be a vast difference in price. An older boat will come with a diesel (new 10k), rig and sails (10k to 20k), as well as probably 20k+ in other equipment if purchased new. The hull and deck is probably less than 40% of the cost of a complete boat. Dog posted a link to James Baldwin's site - the entire site is worth a good read. James Baldwin has gone around twice in his 28' Triton and has a business consulting and modifying boats for offshore voyaging. Atom Voyages | About the Sailboat Atom I think the Vagabond would be a good coastal cruiser but not a good choice for offshore voyaging.  

Thank you for all the input. After considering all the advice and running some quick numbers, I am going to buy something and refit as necessary. Cheaper and much better resale value. I am going to get something on the smaller side, Contessa 26, Cape Dory 25D/26, Columbia 26, Morris Frances 26 (probably too expensive) etc... Instead of purchasing a 28/30' boat I think I would prefer to save the money and use it for refit/cruising instead. Hopefully I can get a trailer or have one modified to work so I can tow the boat home after purchase for the refit. Maybe a Cape Dory 28/Southern Cross 28 if I find the right deal but I don't think I could get something that big back to the house.  

There are boat moving companies and if the boat doesn't have to travel far it shouldn't be too expensive.  

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Voigtlander wrote: I am very interested in buying the plans for VG 26. Just a few questions before buying: 1. Can I use a Junk rig for the sail plan

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You need to be careful standing about in the marina. You never know what might follow you home.  

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Oh the problems we have! I am being stalked by a mac 26. Eric  

Based on the rigging in the picture, the PO really knew how to SAIL that thing.  

That's what happens when you feed them  

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Jackdaw said: Based on the rigging in the picture, the PO really knew how to SAIL that thing. Click to expand

I think the Vagabond 17 is an adorable little boat. A bit boxy, but cute nonetheless. There's one in the slip across the dock from mine this year. Last year I had a Newport 17 across the dock. Not nearly as sweet looking as the Vagabond 17. Ron Holder also designed the Holder/Hobie 20. It's a bit faster than the Vagabond, but not nearly as comfortable overall.  

Brian S said: I think the Vagabond 17 is an adorable little boat. A bit boxy, but cute nonetheless. There's one in the slip across the dock from mine this year. Last year I had a Newport 17 across the dock. Not nearly as sweet looking as the Vagabond 17. Ron Holder also designed the Holder/Hobie 20. It's a bit faster than the Vagabond, but not nearly as comfortable overall. Click to expand

Looking good! Love the red sails. Eric  

Backstay isn't as much a problem with wind in the sails, creating some camber, which shortens the length, and twists off, so it stays out of the way of the backstay. My full length batten at the top of the sail catches on my topping lift sometimes, and rarely on the backstay.  

Brian S said: It's a shit-ton faster than the Vagabond, but not nearly as comfortable overall. Click to expand

Jackdaw said: Fixed that for you. Click to expand

RussC said: You're all heart jackdaw. thanks. Click to expand

Thanks for fixing. Ha! I would love to have a Holder 20, but I've had the kind of boat where you sit ON it, as opposed to in it. I rather enjoy my cockpit now. Although... to have a boat like the Holder 20 just to campaign for racing, then it would be ok. (The side decks are the seats in the H-20.) There are a couple at our lake, and I got to go out on a decrepit H-20, with loose rigging, and a delaminating jib. The thing is still fast, and made it feel like we were short-tacking on the wide part of the lake ('cos it was so fast.) I bet it would be super fun in more wind on a bigger body of water. But, if I became independently wealthy, with unlimited boat bux and storage, I'd probably just opt for a new J/70 instead.  

Jackdaw said: That vagabond looks a very cool little boat. But the Holder 20 will run absolute circles around it! Different type of boat. Click to expand

Love the red sails!  

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